What Temperature Makes the Reaction Rate Constant One Thousand Times Smaller?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to the Arrhenius equation and its application to determine the temperature at which the rate constant for a chemical reaction becomes one thousand times smaller. Participants explore the mathematical manipulations required to solve the problem and clarify the use of constants and units in the equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem statement and expresses frustration over repeated calculation errors, indicating uncertainty about the use of the Arrhenius equation.
  • Another participant questions the choice of the gas constant and its units, suggesting that the correct units are crucial for finding temperature.
  • A different approach is proposed, involving the rearrangement of the Arrhenius equation to solve for the pre-exponential factor "A" and then using it to find the new temperature.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of "A" in the Arrhenius equation and its temperature dependence, with a suggestion that it can be treated as a constant over a certain temperature range.
  • Participants discuss the importance of unit analysis in solving chemistry problems, with one participant acknowledging that they often forget to apply this technique in chemistry as they do in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, as different methods and equations are proposed, and there is uncertainty regarding the application of the Arrhenius equation and the constants involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the mathematical manipulations required to isolate temperature, as well as the dependence of the pre-exponential factor "A" on temperature, which may affect the accuracy of the proposed solutions.

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Homework Statement


The activation energy for the reaction
N2O(g) --> N2(g) + O(g)
is 250 kJ/mol. If the rate constant is 3.4 s–1 at 1050 K, at what temperature will the rate constant be one thousand times smaller?

The correct answer is : 846 K

Homework Equations


Arrhenius equation:
ln{k2/k1} = Ea/R {(1/T1) - (1/T2)}


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, I can use this equation to find other variables, and I know that I am making some sort of calculator error or something, and I know its probably the stupidest of mistakes. I am trying to study for an exam, and I am aware that this probably won't even show up, but its driving me crazy that I continually get the wrong answer, and I am off by soooo much.it looks simple, plug in the numbers and out pops an answer but I just can't get it.

T1 =1050K
K1 = 3.14/s
Ea = 250KJ
K2 = 3.14E3

I have tried this a number of ways and its only confused me more. Do I change KJ to J? I know Temp. should be in Kelvin, what about R, could I be using the wrong one? I can't look at this question any longer, any help would be much appreciated.
(when I emailed my T.A. he emailed me back to inform me that I won't fail the exam just because I don't know how to do this question... that's real helpful!)
Thank you,
M
 
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Which version of the gas constant are you using, and what are the units on it? You could be using the wrong one, but I don't know which one you're using.

Also, you're looking for temperature, yes? So what units should the gas constant possesses so that you find temperature?

Admittedly, temperature in the Arrhenius equation is the hardest to dig out algebraically. It may help if you first find what T2 is equal to, then use your calculator with the numbers given. I prefer to work with variables.
 
Ive tried with 8.3145J/(K*mol) with no luck. Its a good idea to work backwards, I think Ill try it. A friend suggested a different version of the equation : K = A exp (- Ea/RT) she said to solve for A with K1 and T1, and then using that A solve for T2 with K2. I am not sure if this is a good equation though, can I use this equation and depend on it to get the right answers every time. Also, what is A?
 
Just as a general rule, I wouldn't suggest using an equation that you don't understand.

The equation you posted is the Arrhenius equation. The one you posted in your first post is just it, after some mathematical manipulation. "A" refers to the collision frequency. The method you posted may work, may not, because A is temperature dependent, but it can be treated as a constant over a fairly large temperature range.

A modification to the Arrhenius equation that may be easier for you, if you don't like manipulating the other one: ln k1/k2 = Ea/R(T1-T2/T1*T2).

And you're using the correct gas constant. but remember that your units need to cancel to equal T.EDIT: I just noticed something with the equation you posted: it should read k =Ae^(-Ea/RT)
Just wanted to make sure that you weren't raising A to the power of (-Ea/RT).
 
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Thank you for all your help, analyzing the units was a big help. I do all the time when I'm working through physics problems, but I always forget I can do that with chemistry. Your equation was very helpful also. My trouble was with mathematical manipulations more than anything.
 

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