What Tension is Required for a 10 kg Mass to Hang Motionless?

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The discussion revolves around determining the tension required in two wires supporting a 10 kg mass, ensuring it hangs motionless. Participants explore the forces involved, particularly the gravitational force and the tension components, within the context of equilibrium conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate the gravitational force acting on the mass as $F_g=\langle 0, -98\rangle$ Newtons and discuss the equilibrium condition where $F_{net}=0$.
  • One participant proposes a formula for tension based on the vertical components of tension, stating $2T\sin(30) = mg$ and deriving $T = \dfrac{mg}{2\sin(30)}$.
  • Another participant suggests that the tension in each wire, when oriented at 30 degrees, is $T = mg = 98 \text{ N}$, asserting that tension decreases as the angle increases.
  • There is a calculation presented that approximates $F$ as $\frac{98}{\sqrt{2}}=69.2965N$, which is later questioned by another participant.
  • Some participants assert that the final answer for the forces of tension required is 98N, while others express uncertainty regarding the correctness of their computed answers for $F_{net}$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct tension value, with some asserting it is 98N while others question the calculations leading to that conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact tension required.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various angles and their effects on tension, but there is no consensus on the implications of these angles or the correctness of the derived formulas. The calculations presented contain assumptions that are not universally accepted.

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Gravity acting on a 10 kg,mass produces a force of $F_g=\langle 0, -98\rangle$ Newtons. If the mass is suspended from 2 wires which both form $30^\circ$ angles with the horizontal, then what forces of tension are required in order for the mass to hang motionless over time?

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I computed $F_{net}=\langle 0,-98+F\rangle$. Now how to compute the final answer? For equilibrium,$F_{net}=0$
 
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Dhamnekar Winod said:
Gravity acting on a 10 kg,mass produces a force of $F_g=\langle 0, -98\rangle$ Newtons. If the mass is suspended from 2 wires which both form $30^\circ$ angles with the horizontal, then what forces of tension are required in order for the mass to hang motionless over time?

Answer.
I comuted $F_{net}=\langle \frac {\sqrt{3}-1}{2},-98+\frac{(\sqrt{3}+1)*F}{2}\rangle$. Now how to compute the final answer? For equilibrium,$F_{net}=0$

sum of the magnitudes of each vertical component of tension upward = magnitude of gravity force downward

$2T\sin(30) = mg$

$T = \dfrac{mg}{2\sin(30)} = mg$
 
skeeter said:
sum of the magnitudes of each vertical component of tension upward = magnitude of gravity force downward

$2T\sin(30) = mg$

$T = \dfrac{mg}{2\sin(30)} = mg$
Hello,

So $F=\frac{98}{\sqrt{2}}=69.2965N$ approx. Isn't it?
 
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Dhamnekar Winod said:
Hello,

So $F=\frac{98}{\sqrt{2}}=-69.2965$ approx. Isn't it?

No ... magnitude of tension in each wire oriented 30 degrees from the horizontal is $T = mg = 98 \text{ N}$

As the angle from the horizontal increases, the tension decreases. If both wires are vertical ($\theta = 90^\circ$), the tension is a minimum ...

$T = \dfrac{mg}{2\sin(90)} = \dfrac{98}{2} = 49 \text{ N}$
 
skeeter said:
No ... magnitude of tension in each wire oriented 30 degrees from the horizontal is $T = mg = 98 \text{ N}$

As the angle from the horizontal increases, the tension decreases. If both wires are vertical ($\theta = 90^\circ$), the tension is a minimum ...

$T = \dfrac{mg}{2\sin(90)} = \dfrac{98}{2} = 49 \text{ N}$
Is my computed answer for $F_{net}$ is correct?
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
Is my computed answer for $F_{net}$ is correct?

The system is in equilibrium ...

$\displaystyle \sum F_x = 0 \text{ and } \sum F_y = 0 \implies F_{net} = 0$
 
skeeter said:
The system is in equilibrium ...

$\displaystyle \sum F_x = 0 \text{ and } \sum F_y = 0 \implies F_{net} = 0$
So, the final answer for the forces of tension required in order for the mass to hang motionless over time is 98N.
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
So, the final answer for the forces of tension required in order for the mass to hang motionless over time is 98N.

does the attached sketch confirm your statement?

View attachment 8835
 

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