What the result of null added to itself?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of adding null (or zero) to itself and the implications of this operation in arithmetic and geometry. Participants explore the nature of infinity in relation to zero and the definitions of mathematical terms.

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  • One participant suggests that "the null part added to itself will always remain the same as itself, namely null," using arithmetic examples to support this claim.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no number called "infinite," challenging the use of infinity in mathematical expressions.
  • Several participants clarify that infinity is a concept rather than a number, discussing its implications in limits and growth of variables.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to formalize the discussion around limits to clarify the concept of infinity.
  • Another participant argues that expressions involving infinity, such as ∞ * 0, are not defined and likens it to a meaningless comparison.
  • Some participants reiterate basic arithmetic involving zero, such as 3 * 0 = 0, to support their points.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of infinity and its relationship to zero. There is no consensus on the validity of using infinity in arithmetic operations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of infinity and zero, as well as the unresolved mathematical implications of operations involving infinity.

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The null part added to itself will always remain the same as itself, namely null.
Hey,...

is that correct to say that "The null part added to itself will always remain the same as itself, namely null.""

In arithmetic, 3 * 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 = 0;

It is therefore healthy to extrapolate as follows:∞-1 * 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 +... + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
∞ * 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 +... + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 =0Edit: read ∞ instead of infinite
 
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There is no number called "infinite".
 
you are right ... it is a mistake from me...

take ∞ for accountInfinity, denoted ∞, is not a number, but a concept or a phenomenon. We can, for example, say that the value of a variable x grows positively by taking larger and larger values; we will then say that x tends to infinity.
 
somok said:
you are right ... it is a mistake from me...

take ∞ for accountInfinity, denoted ∞, is not a number, but a concept or a phenomenon. We can, for example, say that the value of a variable x grows positively by taking larger and larger values; we will then say that x tends to infinity.
Perhaps formalize this a bit more clearly with limits.
 
Mayhem said:
Perhaps formalize this a bit more clearly with limits.

@Mayhem

stay focus to my initial question...plsis that correct to say that :

"" The null part added to itself will always remain the same as itself, namely null.""think about geometry if you have more facilities :

287871780_354384970137972_4149153341355854383_n.jpgTranslation: A point is that which has no part.
(Euclid's Elements)Euclid defines it as "that whose part is zero", that is, a dot has no width, length or height
 
. while A=0
. A=A * 0

does not end, yes. However, this does not allow you to write ##\infty \cdot 0=0## because ##\infty \cdot## is simply not defined. It is like discussing the shoe size of Big Foot - meaningless.
 
fresh_42 said:
. while A=0
. A=A * 0

does not end, yes. However, this does not allow you to write ##\infty \cdot 0=0## because ##\infty \cdot## is simply not defined. It is like discussing the shoe size of Big Foot - meaningless.
for sure

if A=0 so 0=0*0

it s not what I'm saying...pls...here is what i say...

3 * 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 = 0;
 
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somok said:
think about geometry if you have more facilities :

View attachment 302718Translation: A point is that which has no part.
(Euclid's Elements)Euclid defines it as "that whose part is zero", that is, a dot has no width, length or height
 
somok said:
here is what i say...

3 * 0 = 0 + 0 + 0 = 0;

Well, we cannot fill our pages with trivia.

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