What to expect with COVID19, double jabbed AZ

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The discussion revolves around personal experiences with COVID-19 following vaccination, specifically focusing on symptoms, testing, and the perceived effectiveness of vaccines. Participants share their individual cases of contracting COVID-19 after being vaccinated, discussing the implications for immunity and the reliability of testing.

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  • One participant describes their experience of contracting COVID-19 after being double-jabbed, detailing symptoms and recovery over several days.
  • Another participant expresses hope that being vaccinated provides better outcomes compared to being unvaccinated.
  • Some participants share their own experiences with COVID-19 after vaccination, noting varying symptoms and antibody responses.
  • Questions arise regarding the reliability of testing, with some participants suggesting that negative tests may not be conclusive.
  • There is discussion about the possibility of reinfection and the effectiveness of vaccines, with mixed feelings about their protective capabilities.
  • One participant mentions their active lifestyle and lack of precautions taken prior to infection, indicating a desire for natural immunity.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of antibody tests and the potential for false negatives in PCR testing.
  • Participants discuss the timing of flu season and its potential overlap with COVID-19 symptoms, questioning the reliability of symptom-based diagnosis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of vaccines, the reliability of testing, and the implications of experiencing COVID-19 after vaccination. No consensus is reached on these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in testing accuracy and the variability of symptoms experienced, suggesting that individual experiences may not be representative of broader trends. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the long-term implications of COVID-19 reinfection and vaccine efficacy.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals seeking personal accounts of COVID-19 experiences post-vaccination, as well as those curious about the nuances of vaccine effectiveness and testing reliability.

  • #31
russ_watters said:
I realize the person you are responding to is taking a break, but I still feel like this warrants an expansion: The simplest and probably most important metric for protection is death. There's a [natural] selection bias in trying to measure the protection from death via natural immunity in that the people you are most interested in protecting are already dead and can no longer be observed to see if their natural immunity helps.
I did actually put 'or dead' at the end of my response but thought bit was in bad taste so I edited it.
If he wanted a natural comparison he could always check out Bulgaria three main spikes of cases with the associated death spikes they marry up well. Little to no Vaccine.
UK us the opposite.
 
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  • #32
russ_watters said:
I had my own little COVID scare a couple of weeks ago when I got about the worst throat infection I've ever had (that then moved into my sinuses/nasal passages). It didn't have much in common with COVID symptoms except the extreme weakness and headache (no fever, limited cough, no chest congestion). I got tested just in case, due to a nagging girlfriend need to visit a pharma client, both rapid and PCR tests, negative.

Feel better @pinball1970 !
Those nagging other halfs save lives!
Glad it was negative.
I'm good, over the worst I hope.
Thanks a lot
 
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  • #33
Astronuc said:
So not test yet? Test will be tomorrow, day 5?
Test positive but totally fine now. My ten day isolation is up Thurs
 
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  • #34
Delta is spreading in NZ, it -was- contained in the Auckland region but of course the border was penetrated and those who shouldn't have passed through to other regions of NZ. We've given up on the elimination stragedy and will soon move to the 'traffic light' system (https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/). It wouldn't surprise me by year end I've caught delta (I've had two Pfizer shots).
 
  • #35
@StevieTNZ -Your comment about catching Covid is very astute. I believe there will be a MMWR from the US CDC on the very probable endemicity of Covid.

Covid is going the route of other previous pandemics - like Influenza. The short version is: almost everyone will have caught Covid at some point in the next few years. After that it will be very like modern flu. outbreaks. Worldwide minimum 50k deaths per year, lots of lost time from work, periodic booster shots, etc.

Harvard med school white paper on what it will be like when Covid goes endemic:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/what-will-it-be-like-when-covid-19-becomes-endemic/
 
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  • #36
StevieTNZ said:
Delta is spreading in NZ, it -was- contained in the Auckland region but of course the border was penetrated and those who shouldn't have passed through to other regions of NZ. We've given up on the elimination stragedy and will soon move to the 'traffic light' system (https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/). It wouldn't surprise me by year end I've caught delta (I've had two Pfizer shots).
Boosters available?
 
  • #37
pinball1970 said:
Boosters available?
Booster shots for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been approved in Canada -- currently for those who are immunocompromised, or those 70 years of age and above, although I have read reports that booster shots will be eventually made available to everyone 12 years of age and above.
 
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  • #39
@pinball1970 Sorry to learn of your illness. Thanks for the detailed descriptions of your Covid experience, grim or exuberant.

I received my third Pfizer vaccine dose last month. Today I told my physical therapist something about "feeling ten years younger; like a sixty year old who exercises.".
 
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  • #40
In any case, I will attempt not to catch it while trying to live life as normal as possible. I've started taking zinc 9mg (alongside B6 and magnesium mixed in) supplement (my now ex psychiatrist prescribed me 50mg of zinc to take daily as he said it is a good anti-viral agent). Funnily enough, I suspect that's how he expects to cope once Covid reaches his area, because he's only my ex-psychiatrist now due to refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate for health workers - "under no cirumstances will I take this experimental biological agent".
 
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  • #41
StevieTNZ said:
In any case, I will attempt not to catch it while trying to live life as normal as possible. I've started taking zinc 9mg (alongside B6 and magnesium mixed in) supplement (my now ex psychiatrist prescribed me 50mg of zinc to take daily as he said it is a good anti-viral agent). Funnily enough, I suspect that's how he expects to cope once Covid reaches his area, because he's only my ex-psychiatrist now due to refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate for health workers - "under no cirumstances will I take this experimental biological agent".
I read an interview with an A&E doctor recently. She said she sees patients every day with complications from COVID, but is yet to treat a patient for complications from vaccination.

Your ex-psychiatrist shows an interesting bias towards avoiding particular risks while accepting greater risks. It's difficult to justify that the risk of vaccination is greater than the risk of getting COVID. Even if the vaccine is more exprimental than usual and carries a greater risk than other vaccines, the risks of COVID itself are well established and significant. It's clear that the unvaccinated remain at serious risk - and are filling the ICU beds in most western counties, to the detriment of the healthcare that the rest of us can expect to receive.

To that extent, people like your ex-psychiatrist create a very real medical threat to us all whereby we may be denied life-saving medical treatment because they are monopolising all the ICU beds! And, generally they are overextending the health services on which we all depend.
 
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  • #42
He is rather arrogant. The only advantage is now I have a new psychiatrist who 1. actually spends one whole hour with me and 2. asks me questions based on the talking points sheet I give.
 
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