What turns energy into matter and vice versa?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of energy into matter and vice versa, exploring the underlying mechanisms, probabilities, and theoretical frameworks involved. Participants examine concepts related to particle physics, quantum mechanics, and conservation laws, while also addressing specific processes like pair production and nuclear decay.

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  • Some participants propose that energy is not a substance that transforms into matter, but rather a property of matter, akin to momentum or mass.
  • Others argue that energy changes form, such as from potential energy to kinetic energy, without a conversion process in the traditional sense.
  • There is a discussion about whether a field or mechanism exists that mediates the conversion of energy to matter and how this process is determined.
  • Participants mention pair production and annihilation as processes where photons can turn into matter and vice versa, with probabilities associated with these interactions.
  • Questions arise regarding the predictability of decay processes in nuclear reactions and how much mass converts into energy, with references to decay tables and conservation laws.
  • Some participants inquire about the theoretical possibility of creating protons from photon collisions, with references to conservation laws governing such processes.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of energy and matter transformation, with no consensus reached regarding the existence of a mediating field or the predictability of these processes.

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Limitations include the dependence on various conservation laws and the complexities involved in calculating probabilities for particle interactions and decay processes.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, quantum mechanics, or anyone curious about the fundamental nature of energy and matter transformations.

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How does the universe decide if transforming energy into matter or vice Versa?
Is there a particle or a field that decides so?
Is a probability process?
 
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Energy is not a substance that transforms into matter. Energy is a property of matter, just like momentum or mass.
 
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Orodruin said:
Energy is not a substance that transforms into matter. Energy is a property of matter, just like momentum or mass.
OK, maybe I said it wrong, with matter I was meaning mass
 
Cozma Alex said:
OK, maybe I said it wrong, with matter I was meaning mass
Yes, the answer is still the same. There is nothing being converted. Just energy changing form from some other form of energy to energy in the form of mass. This is no stranger than energy changing from potential energy to kinetic energy.
 
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Orodruin said:
Yes, the answer is still the same. There is nothing being converted. Just energy changing form from some other form of energy to energy in the form of mass. This is no stranger than energy changing from potential energy to kinetic energy.

Yes, but what decide whenever to convert or not?
For example why doesn't all the mass around us convert in another form?
 
You might as well ask why kinetic energy is converted into potential energy. It happens in nature and we have physical theories that describe how this occurs in a very good manner.

The answer is that nature simply foes not behave in that way. If you want a "deeper" answer you are no longer asking s physics question.
 
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Orodruin said:
The answer is that nature simply foes not behave in that way. If you want a "deeper" answer you are no longer asking s physics question.

Ok, thanks, so there's not a field or something in quantum mechanics theory that mediate this conversion process and "decides" how much is converted or not
 
I think what you meant to ask is what turns photons into matter and vice versa. Both photons and matter have energy.
If that is the case, photons can turn into matter and antimatter in a process called pair production. And matter and antimatter can become photons in a process called annihilation. There is a certain probability of the former happening if a high enough energy photon hits matter. And a certain probability of the latter happening whenever a matter and antimatter particle are close to each other. The probabilities are given as cross sections--the larger the cross section, the more likely they are to react (or interact). The probabilities depend on which particles are interacting, and can involve lengthy calculations to compute.

It's almost certainly possible to collide two photons to produce an electron and positron, but rather difficult to demonstrate in a lab due to the low probability and high energy gamma rays needed.
 
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Khashishi said:
I think what you meant to ask is what turns photons into matter and vice versa. Both photons and matter have energy.
If that is the case, photons can turn into matter and antimatter in a process called pair production. And matter and antimatter can become photons in a process called annihilation. There is a certain probability of the former happening if a high enough energy photon hits matter. And a certain probability of the latter happening whenever a matter and antimatter particle are close to each other. The probabilities are given as cross sections--the larger the cross section, the more likely they are to react (or interact). The probabilities depend on which particles are interacting, and can involve lengthy calculations to compute.

It's almost certainly possible to collide two photons to produce an electron and positron, but rather difficult to demonstrate in a lab due to the low probability and high energy gamma rays needed.
You got the point, thanks, so it's a matter of probability that something turn into energy? For example in nuclear decay is there a probability that when the nucleus decays some mass turns into photons? It is possible to know before how much of its mass turn into photons?
 
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Cozma Alex said:
Ok, thanks, so there's not a field or something in quantum mechanics theory that mediate this conversion process and "decides" how much is converted or not
There is. The vase is sitting on the shelf Schrödinger's cat pushes it off thus converting potential energy to kinetic energy. Quantum mechanics does it again.
 
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Zafa Pi said:
There is. The vase is sitting on the shelf Schrödinger's cat pushes it off thus converting potential energy to kinetic energy. Quantum mechanics does it again.

So... there is a field, does the field act based on probability or is something that can be easily predicted, for example in a nuclear decay, can we predict the products of the decay and the mass that has transformed in photons?
 
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Cozma Alex said:
You got the point, thanks, so it's a matter of probability that something turn into energy? For example in nuclear decay is there a probability that when the nucleus decays some mass turns into photons? It is possible to know before how much of its mass turn into photons?
Decay goes from higher mass to lower - the difference goes into kinetic energy and rest energy of the other decay products. Nuclear decay tables are full of half-life and decay product energies info.
 
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BvU said:
Decay goes from higher mass to lower - the difference goes into kinetic energy and rest energy of the other decay products. Nuclear decay tables are full of half-life and decay product energies info.

But how can we predict these products? (Theoretically I mean)
 
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For a reaction to occur, it has to obey certain conservation laws, such as angular momentum conservation, momentum conservation, energy conservation. It usually also obeys approximate conservation laws like lepton number, baryon number, etc. To make a prediction, you have to list all the possible reactions, and calculate their probabilities. I can't help you with the details there.
 
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How might a photon create, perhaps with other constituents, a proton?

Can other bosons create fermions?
 
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Yes, other bosons can create fermions.

As far as how, two photons come together and, bang, a proton and an antiproton come out. You have various Feynman diagrams depicting possible pathways for the reaction, but what actually happens is some superposition of possible pathways. You can't say exactly what happens between what goes in and what comes out.
 
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ok thanks I didn't know that Protons were also possible, I thought it was only electron positron pairs.
So it is theoretically possible to collide photons as a way of making a proton source?
 
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All particles are theoretically possible, as long as various conservation laws are obeyed. Theoretically possible, but not practical.
 
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Thanks, it really makes one realize that every form of matter and energy is made of the same thing just in a different form.
And it all started with a maximum density, homogeneous form of matter/energy right at the start of the BB.
 
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I have a question: did the inflaton field create particles or just inflated the universe?
 

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