What units are used in the expression P = (B^2 A)/(2 mu_o)?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic flux density (B) required to lift a plate weighing 10,000 Newtons using the equation P = (B^2 A)/(2 μ₀). Participants are exploring the relationships between various physical quantities involved in electromagnetism, particularly in the context of an electromagnet problem.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the units for each variable in the expression for P and are questioning the assumptions made regarding the setup of the problem. Some are discussing the necessary calculations to derive B and the magnetic force (mmf) required.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing information and asking for clarification on specific aspects of the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding the formula and its components rather than seeking a direct answer.

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Some participants note the absence of a specific value for the magnetic flux density (B) and are seeking additional information to proceed with their calculations. There is also mention of a diagram that could aid in understanding the problem setup.

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HI EVEYONE,
NEED TO TAALK TO SOMEONE WHO IS UP ON CALCULATING THE VALUE OF (B), REQUIRED TO LIFT A PLATE OF XXNEWTONS. ALSO ESTIMATE THE M.M.F REQUIREDTO LIFT THE SAME PLATE.
ANY TAKERS PLEASE?
THANKS
 
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I WILL TRY EXPLAIN MY QUESTION AND PRESENT YOU WITH ALL THE FACTS I HAVE AT MY DISPOSAL.
In the question it is first mentioned that the pull,P, exerted at each pole of the magnet is given by the equation:
P = Bsquared x A divided by 2 x permeability of free space.
A being CSA of the pole faces
free space being 4 x pie x 10 to power of -7.

OK.
next we have c.s.a of magnet: 22 x 22 cm.
R, radius: 0.5m.
angle in degree`s: 120.
relative permeability of magnet: 2000.
relative permeability of plate: 1000.
thickness of plate: 5cm
weight of plate: 10'000 Newtons.


I have drawn out a diagram to show you what the radius and angle are all about. Can i paste a paint document here? It would help a lot.
Many thanks .
 
just save the the jpeg file on your computer and then attach it to the post.
 
electromagnet problem, need help please!

View attachment electromagnet question.doc

Q1, I need to calculate the value of B required to lift a plate.
Q2, Estimate the mmf F required to lift the same plate.

I understand P = B squared x A. divided by 2 x permeability of free space.

This is what I have to work with:

The plate to be lifted weighs, 10`000 Newtons
Relative permeability of plate, 1000
Thickness of plate, 5 cm.

c.s.a. of magnet, 22 x 22 cm.
radius (mean) of magnet, 0.5m ( shown as red circle)
angle in degrees, 120.

I am assuming you have to first calculate the distance between the 2 poles. Using the cosine rule I make it: 0.75metres.

Now I need help with the rest please.
I don’t just want the answer I want to understand the formula properly.

Many thanks.
 
Can you define more clearly, the units for each of the variables in your expression
[tex]P = \frac{B^2 A}{2 \mu_o}[/tex]

by the way, your expression looks similar to one I note on this page. Are you using the same units?

From your given information, I don't see a value for "magnetic flux density" B. Perhaps you have some given information from which you can derive B.
 
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