What was the main source of oxygen on Earth before photosynthesis?

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The discussion centers on the sources of oxygen on Earth prior to the advent of photosynthesis, exploring various hypotheses about the role of different organisms and chemical forms of oxygen. It touches on atmospheric and dissolved oxygen, as well as the contributions of terrestrial and marine plants.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that dissolved oxygen in the oceans is a significant source of oxygen.
  • Others argue that a large portion of the world's oxygen (approximately 70%) is produced by marine plants, which may include algae, rather than terrestrial trees.
  • A participant questions whether oxygen is more abundant in areas with trees, suggesting that distribution may vary.
  • There is a discussion about the role of wind in distributing oxygen evenly across the atmosphere, leading to similar concentrations globally.
  • One participant posits that the original question should focus on the presence of oxygen on land in the absence of algae.
  • Another participant emphasizes that oxygen is an element that exists in various forms, questioning the chemical state of oxygen before photosynthesis evolved.
  • There is a claim that before photosynthesis, the atmosphere was primarily composed of carbon dioxide, with a transition to oxygen due to plant activity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sources and distribution of oxygen, with no consensus reached on the primary source of oxygen before photosynthesis or the significance of various organisms in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect assumptions about the roles of trees versus marine plants, and there are unresolved questions regarding the historical chemical forms of oxygen prior to photosynthesis.

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in the middle of the sea where there are no trees around?.
 
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It is the dissolved oxygen.
 
Most of the world's oxygen (70%) is produced by plants (or green stuff depening on how fussy you want to be about the definition of plants) living on the oceans.
It does also blow around quite a lot in the atmosphere.
 
in the middle of the sky where there are no fish around? :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
in the middle of the sky where there are no fish around? :confused:
Beause penguins eat them all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxmpihCjqw
 
Newbie1 said:
in the middle of the sea where there are no trees around?.
The oceans are teeming with plant-life that can produce oxygen. Oxygen in the air is also entrained into sea-water by wave action.
 
mgb_phys said:
Most of the world's oxygen (70%) is produced by plants (or green stuff depening on how fussy you want to be about the definition of plants) living on the oceans.
It does also blow around quite a lot in the atmosphere.

I see... would it be fair to say that there would be more oxygen available where there are trees around?. Or is it fairly distributed?.

Yes i know my questions are weird... lol...
 
Newbie1 said:
I see... would it be fair to say that there would be more oxygen available where there are trees around?. Or is it fairly distributed?.
Trees aren't all that important compared to algae etc they are big and grow slowly so their metabolism is pretty low compared to pond scum.
Depends on the age of the tree and the species of course - the same thing applies to the idea of planting trees to remove CO2.
 
I think the OP is asking about oxygen in the atmosphere, not dissolved in the ocean. Oxygen exists everywhere on Earth in similar concentrations because wind spreads it around.
 
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I thought the atmosphere is just the atmosphere, any local fluctuations would be just that; local, and due to some insignificant factor, (cows, volcanoes, trees).
 
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russ_watters said:
I think the OP is asking about oxygen in the atmosphere, not dissolved in the ocean. Oxygen exists everywhere on Earth in similar concentrations because wind spreads it around.
Yes, but the OP is assuming that oxygen comes from trees.
The question should really be - why is there oxygen on land if there is no algae around!
 
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mgb_phys said:
Yes, but the OP is assuming that oxygen comes from trees.
The question should really be - why is there oxygen on land if there is no algae around!

Does most oxygen come from algae then?
 
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philip041 said:
Does most oxygen come from algae then?
Most of it comes from stuff growing on the surface of the ocean (not all technically algae)
There is quite a lot of ocean surface area and not a lot of it is desert or covered in concrete so it's a good place to be a plant.
 
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If only I were a plant.
 
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Oxygen is an element - it's neither created nor destroyed by plants or anything else. It's just there. The better question is - before evolution of photosynthesis, in what chemical form did much of the oxygen exist?

btw - ever looked at the formula for water? You know - the stuff that covers a lot of the planet?
 
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JorgeLobo said:
The better question is - before evolution of photosynthesis, in what chemical form did much of the oxygen exist?
The majority of the Oxygen on Earth is in the form of sand.

Before evolution of photosynthesis the atmosphere was mostly carbon dioxide - before plant made global cooling polluted this with toxic chemicals (like molecular oxygen).
Plants continue doing this today, taking our vital CO2 and creating more toxic O2. We are trying to return the atmopshere to it's natural state by burning them, but it's a big job and is taking longer than expected.
 

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