What Went Wrong with Solving a Simple Inequality?

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The discussion revolves around solving the inequality \(3\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x+3}>1\). Participants are examining the implications of squaring both sides of the inequality and the potential introduction of extraneous solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of checking solutions against the original inequality after squaring. There is a focus on identifying redundant roots and understanding why certain values do not satisfy the original inequality.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the nature of squaring equations and the importance of verifying solutions. There is ongoing exploration of how to identify redundant intervals without substituting values directly.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the condition that \(x\) must be greater than zero, and further constraints are discussed regarding the non-negativity of square roots in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


[tex]3\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x+3}>1[/tex]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


As obvious from the given inequality, x must be greater than zero.
Rearranging and squaring both the sides,
[tex]9x>1+x+3+2\sqrt{x+3} \Rightarrow 4x-2>\sqrt{x+3}[/tex]
Squaring again,
[tex]16x^2+4-16x>x+3 \Rightarrow 16x^2-17x+1>0 \Rightarrow (x-1/16)(x-1)>0[/tex]
Hence, ##x \in (0,1/16) \cup (1,\infty)## but this is wrong. The correct answer is ##(1,\infty)##. I don't see what I did wrong.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


[tex]3\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x+3}>1[/tex]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


As obvious from the given inequality, x must be greater than zero.
Rearranging and squaring both the sides,
[tex]9x>1+x+3+2\sqrt{x+3} \Rightarrow 4x-2>\sqrt{x+3}[/tex]
Squaring again,
[tex]16x^2+4-16x>x+3 \Rightarrow 16x^2-17x+1>0 \Rightarrow (x-1/16)(x-1)>0[/tex]
Hence, ##x \in (0,1/16) \cup (1,\infty)## but this is wrong. The correct answer is ##(1,\infty)##. I don't see what I did wrong.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

This is a "classic" elementary mistake in algebra. When you square (or more generally, take even powers) of equations, you often introduce "redundant roots". These roots solve the final form you get, but are not solutions to the original equation. The basic reason is that the square of both ##a## and ##-a## give you the same value ##a^2##.

Try putting ##x = \frac{1}{16}## in the original LHS and see what the expression evaluates to. Do you see what's going on?

In the future, when you square equations to solve them (if it's unavoidable, as in this case), always go back and test your solution set using the original equation. Discard solutions that don't satisfy the original equation.
 
Curious3141 said:
This is a "classic" elementary mistake in algebra. When you square (or more generally, take even powers) of equations, you often introduce "redundant roots". These roots solve the final form you get, but are not solutions to the original equation.

Try the value 1/16 in the original LHS and see what RHS becomes. Do you see what's going on?

I understand what you say but is it possible to be able to point out the redundant interval immediately? I mean, in this case, I had to substitute 1/16 and found that it did not satisfy the inequality. How should I go about selecting the "redundant" roots?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
I understand what you say but is it possible to be able to point out the redundant interval immediately? I mean, in this case, I had to substitute 1/16 and found that it did not satisfy the inequality. How should I go about selecting the "redundant" roots?

Generally, you test the solutions at the end and decide which to accept. I'm not familiar with any simpler method.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Generally, you test the solutions at the end and decide which to accept. I'm not familiar with any simpler method.

Thanks! :smile:
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Thanks! :smile:

Sure, and thanks for the thanks!:wink:
 
Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


[tex]3\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x+3}>1[/tex]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


As obvious from the given inequality, x must be greater than zero.
Rearranging and squaring both the sides,
[tex]9x>1+x+3+2\sqrt{x+3} \Rightarrow 4x-2>\sqrt{x+3}[/tex]

Before "squaring again", you have to investigate the equation. If 4x-2>0, you can proceed. But 4x-2<0 is not possible, as the square root is defined as non-negative number. A negative number can not be greater than a non-negative one. Therefore x must be greater then 0.5.


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ehild said:
Before "squaring again", you have to investigate the equation. If 4x-2>0, you can proceed. But 4x-2<0 is not possible, as the square root is defined as non-negative number. A negative number can not be greater than a non-negative one. Therefore x must be greater then 0.5.


ehild
Nice catch ehild, thank you! :smile:
 

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