What would it be like on Earth if it were not a sphere?

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The discussion explores hypothetical scenarios regarding the shape of Earth, specifically considering the implications if Earth were two spheres connected at the North Pole. Participants examine the physical feasibility of such a configuration and its potential effects on life and gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose a scenario where Earth consists of two spheres connected at the North Pole, questioning the structural capability of such a shape.
  • Others argue that if the laws of physics remain unchanged, the two spheres would likely merge due to gravitational forces.
  • A participant mentions that configurations similar to two connected bodies are known in astrophysics, specifically contact binaries, and suggests that such a configuration could be possible under certain conditions.
  • Some contributions discuss the Roche Limit and its implications for the stability of two bodies in close proximity, raising questions about whether the Roche Limit applies to this hypothetical scenario.
  • Participants explore the effects of gravity on a smaller scale, referencing examples like contact binary asteroids and their gravitational interactions.
  • There are speculations about the experience of walking on such a configuration, including the perception of slopes and gravity, and the potential for unique environmental conditions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the rotational dynamics if two bodies were to coalesce, likening it to an ice skater speeding up by pulling in their arms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the physical feasibility of two connected spheres and the implications of gravitational forces on such a configuration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the structural integrity of the hypothetical bodies, the applicability of the Roche Limit, and the unresolved nature of gravitational interactions in this scenario.

  • #31
AZFIREBALL said:
Do you think the water surface would appear flat or would you see the radius out in front of you
I think it would appear flat in your immediate locality, but beyond that it could be just about anything,
depending on what topology your planet has if it isn't a sphere.
A donut shaped planet is gravitationaly feasible, even if it is extremely unlikely.
In this case the water in the distance could appear to be at a higher elevation than you are, and the most distant water above your head.
 
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  • #32
AZFIREBALL said:
Do you think the water surface would appear flat or would you see the radius out in front of you; with the water on the far side almost over head or as a vertical wall?
Thing is, in order have such strong surface curvature you need large gradients (otherwise you wouldn't have two surfaces at different angles so close together), and thus there's got to high gravity in there somewhere.

Which makes it more problematic to have solid structures so tenuous.

You sortta can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
  • #33
rootone said:
A donut shaped planet is gravitationaly feasible, even if it is extremely unlikely.

Is such a donut shaped hydrostatic equilibrium stable? Otherwise it would not only be unlikely but impossible.
 
  • #34
DrStupid said:
There can be tides from the sun and maybe from a moon. But in order to keep the system stable they must not be strong enough to slow down the rotation significantly. In that case tidel forces wouldn't be sufficient to increase vulcanic activity directly (in contrast to Io) but maybe for plate tectonics. That leads to the next question: How would plate tectonics looks like on such a planet?
It would seem the gravitational effects on our planet from the rest of our solar system and beyond are proving to be irregular.
This is due to our short period of record keeping.
The tidal effects, torture the tectonic plates causing the eruption of volcano’s above and below sea level.
This means that 7/5ths of the worlds volcano’s are underwater. When they erupt they don't seem to effect us very much, other than raising the temperature a degree or two and poison the ocean, killing the coral and sea life, not forgetting the warming of the atmosphere.
 
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  • #35
gfwhell said:
... 7/5ths of the worlds volcano’s are underwater.
:wideeyed::smile:
 
  • #36
gfwhell said:
It would seem the gravitational effects on our planet from the rest of our solar system and beyond are proving to be irregular.
This is due to our short period of record keeping.
The tidal effects, torture the tectonic plates causing the eruption of volcano’s above and below sea level.
This means that 7/5ths of the worlds volcano’s are underwater. When they erupt they don't seem to effect us very much, other than raising the temperature a degree or two and poison the ocean, killing the coral and sea life, not forgetting the warming of the atmosphere.
I'm seriously trying to figure out how to make sense of that post ?
 
  • #37
gfwhell said:
This means that 7/5ths of the worlds volcano’s are underwater.

And the other negative 2/5ths?
 
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  • #38
DaveC426913 said:
Review the image in post 10 and my description of it in post 11.

Mostly what happens is that you feel like you are standing on a hillside, no matter where on the body you are (except the poles, it'll feel normally flat there). Near the poles, it'll be a gentle slope getting steeper and steeper as you near the mid latitudes.

As you approachet the waist, the last few metres would feel like a rapdily steepening slope, until you were slipping down a vertical cliff, with another cliff rising opposite you.

All free water would run toward - and pool at - the waist.
It would be kind of cool to swim from G to E. The water's surface in front of you would rise up like a vertical 90 degree wall. But as you swam toward it, you'd always feel the surface is flat where you are - while the wall in front of you flattened out, and the water behind you rose up to a wall.
That is crazy! They should make a film based on a binary planet, the CGI people would have a blast.
 
  • #39
In relationship to gfwhell's post of 8/13/2019 at 7:29 PM
davenn said: "I'm seriously trying to figure out how to make sense of that post ? "
I am having the same problem understand what it is he is trying to say related to the original proposition.
@gfwhell: Care to enlighten us?
 
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  • #40
DrStupid said:
Something similar is actually possible if the two bodies are attached at the equator. Such configurations are known for stars (contact binaries) and should also be possible for planets.
but then Earth would still be sphere ...please clear your question
 
  • #42
Umang Soni said:
but then Earth would still be sphere

No, it wouldn't. See in #14 how that reather looks like.
I am currently working on a solution for somewhat realistic mass distributions. But that will take some more time.

Umang Soni said:
...please clear your question

Which question?
 
  • #43
Now my calculation got a step forward. The shape in #14 is the isosurface of the effective potential of two orbiting point masses in their common rest frame. Of course it makes not much sense that the entire mass of the body is concentrated in two centers, but it was easy to calculate. Now I managed to describe a system where only a part of the mass is located in the centers (representing large spherical iron cores) and the rest is homogeneous distributed inside the isosurface. Here is a comparison of the two resulting shapes:

ContactBinary.gif

ContactBinaryHomogeneousWithCore.gif
In order to get a stable equilibrium I increased the size of the cores by 500 km (compared to Earth). Stability requires that the surface potential increases with the size. In case of a non rotating sphere this would be the case when the surface density is below 1/3 of the average density. For a fast rotating system there seems to be another limit but the basic principle is the same: the bigger the cores the better.
 

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