What would Math Lecturers score on the Putnam?

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The discussion centers around the potential performance of math lecturers on the Putnam exam, which is known for its difficulty among undergraduate students. Participants explore various factors that might influence a lecturer's ability to score well, including their teaching focus and problem-solving skills.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a math lecturer's ability to perform well on the Putnam exam may depend on their specific area of teaching and familiarity with the types of problems presented.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about learning effective problem-solving strategies from a geometry teacher, emphasizing the importance of understanding how to present answers succinctly.
  • Another participant argues that success on the Putnam exam may not solely rely on knowledge of standard math but rather on problem-solving skills, which can differ significantly from the material typically taught in classrooms.
  • A later reply mentions the existence of an instructor who designs Putnam-like problems, suggesting that such an instructor might excel on the exam, while also raising the question of whether instructors who do not focus on these types of problems could still perform well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between teaching experience and performance on the Putnam exam. While some agree that familiarity with higher-level math could aid performance, others contend that the specific problem-solving skills required for the Putnam may not be developed through standard teaching practices.

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Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the nature of the Putnam exam and the skills required to succeed, which may not be universally applicable to all math lecturers.

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Would they ace it? For those of you who don't know The Putnam is the hardest math test for undergrad students. The test has 120 points but most only score a few.
 
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While I can't answer your question, I realize it would probably depend on the math lecturer and what he taught regularly. As we progress in our math studies, the math we learn in grade school is child's play to us now. Following that extension if your job is to teach higher level math then that math will be child's play to you and you should easily be able to do the problems you routinely assign to your students. I'm sure this would be true of the Putnam.

I had a geometry teacher who once scolded us for our poor performance on his tests. He told us that it took him 5 minutes to work out and write down the answers in full to any of his tests and from that he would give us 45 minutes to complete the test. He showed us how we answered his questions in frivolous roundabout ways that wasted precious time because we didn't know exactly how or in what manner we could present our answer to him.

The big takeaway for me was its okay to plot a line solution to y=mx+b by simply drawing and labeling the axes x,y with tick marks to y-intercept (no numbered labels for each tick mark) and similarly for the other point using tick marks on the x-axis for the x-value and a vertical bar with more tick marks for the y-value and then simply labeling the point.

We students had been trying to reproduce the books plots in gory detail with 10 numbered tick marks in each direction on each axis before we even started the problem. We didn't realize that we could've used the same notational shortcuts that the teacher used when drawing answers on the black board. Duh...

The second thing I learned was how to reduce trig notation to brief cryptic diagrams that I would write at the top of my paper so I didn't have to keep remembering it during the test. It was a kind of visual cue that allowed me to speed through the test with confidence.

Some example mnemonic devices I used were:
Code:
s2+c2=1                    // for   sin^2(a) + cos^2(a) = 1           
1+t2=s2                     // for    1 + tan^2(a) = sec^2(a)
sab=sacb+casb        // for sin(a+b) = sin(a)cos(b) + cos(a)sin(b)
cab=cacb-sasb         // cos(a+b) = cos(a)cos(b) - sin(a)sin(b)

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/~maryrees/homepagemath191/trigid.pdf
 
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jedishrfu said:
While I can't answer your question, I realize it would probably depend on the math lecturer and what he taught regularly. As we progress in our math studies, the math we learn in grade school is child's play to us now. Following that extension if your job is to teach higher level math then that math will be child's play to you and you should easily be able to do the problems you routinely assign to your students. I'm sure this would be true of the Putnam.

Whereas I agree with the bit I put in bold I don't think the part it italics follows. You can be very good a "standard" math without being great at the type of math you sometimes find in the types of tests the OP is referring to; the reason is simply that these tests do not necessarily test knowledge but problem solving skills and whereas the former is something can learn by studying most of us will never be great at solving the kind of rather obscure problems you would e.g. find in the math Olympiad.
 
There exists an instructor who designs and teaches Putnam-like problems and thus would be able to score well in it which means they might even ace it. However, we could also argue that there does not exist an instructor who designs and teaches Putnam-like problems but then who writes the test. (Proof left to the student)

Here's a writeup from Bruce Reznick who wrote and chaired the Putnam exam in the 1980's:

https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/~reznick/putnam.pdf
 
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