Whats in the space between any 2 galaxies?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational potential in the space between galaxies, exploring whether it is significant and how it relates to gravitational effects observed between galaxies. Participants examine concepts from Newtonian mechanics and general relativity, as well as the implications of galaxy clusters and the nature of the vacuum between galaxies.

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  • One participant questions whether there is any gravitational potential in the space between two galaxies due to their mass and asks for its significance.
  • Another participant explains that in Newtonian mechanics, gravitational potential is arbitrary and not a physical substance, while general relativity does not allow for a defined gravitational potential in cosmological spacetimes.
  • A participant suggests that observing gravitational effects between galaxies could indicate that gravity is transmitted through the vacuum between them, proposing a simpler way to frame the question.
  • Some participants argue that the existence of galaxy clusters indicates gravitational attraction, countering the expectation of a uniform distribution of galaxies.
  • There is a discussion about whether the velocities of galaxies align with their mutual gravitational pull without invoking dark matter, with one participant asserting that they do not.
  • Participants debate the nature of the vacuum between galaxies, with one asserting it is an extremely good vacuum and questioning if it can be distinguished from space or if it can be affected by gravitational fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational potential and the implications of gravitational attraction between galaxies. There is no consensus on whether the gravitational effects observed can be explained without dark matter, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the characteristics of the vacuum between galaxies.

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Participants highlight limitations in defining gravitational potential in cosmological contexts and the assumptions underlying their arguments about the vacuum and gravitational effects.

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like is there any gravitational potential in the space between 2 galaxies due to galaxies mass.?how large is this gravitational potential is it significant..If possible please provide me a link where i can learn more about it..thanks in advance
 
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In Newtonian mechanics, the gravitational potential can be anything you want it to be, since it's arbitrary up to an additive constant. It isn't a physical substance that exists in the space between two galaxies. If you want to estimate it relative to its value within a galaxy, just plug into the usual equation, approximating the galaxy as a sphere.

In general relativity, there is not any way of defining a gravitational potential that applies to cosmological spacetimes. That means that if you try to generalize this to discuss things happening on cosmological scales, it won't work. The Newtonian approximation only works for your original question because you were describing something within a cluster of galaxies, which is much smaller than the Hubble scale.
 
bcrowell said:
In Newtonian mechanics, the gravitational potential can be anything you want it to be, since it's arbitrary up to an additive constant. It isn't a physical substance that exists in the space between two galaxies. If you want to estimate it relative to its value within a galaxy, just plug into the usual equation, approximating the galaxy as a sphere.

In general relativity, there is not any way of defining a gravitational potential that applies to cosmological spacetimes. That means that if you try to generalize this to discuss things happening on cosmological scales, it won't work. The Newtonian approximation only works for your original question because you were describing something within a cluster of galaxies, which is much smaller than the Hubble scale.

I think this is a simple way to put the question in..Has anyone observed a gravitational effect of 1 galaxy on the other(if yes,this proves that force of gravity had been passed in the medium between)If no,it means force of gravity doesn't exist..Isn't it a simpler way of presenting question.?
 
The existence of galaxy clusters itself is evidence that galaxies attract each other - otherwise, we would expect a nearly uniform distribution of galaxies everywhere. Galaxies (or parts of them) moving around other galaxies can be seen, too.

(if yes,this proves that force of gravity had been passed in the medium between)
That "medium" is an extremely good vacuum, even better than the vacuum inside the galaxies.
 
mfb said:
The existence of galaxy clusters itself is evidence that galaxies attract each other - otherwise, we would expect a nearly uniform distribution of galaxies everywhere. Galaxies (or parts of them) moving around other galaxies can be seen, too.

Since clusters of galaxies exist,ie gravitational attraction between any 2 galaxies have been recorded,are the velocities of both galaxies in match with there mutual gravitational pull without need of any dark matter concept?

As mentioned the medium between galaxies is perfect vacuum,Can we distinguish this vacuum with space,ie Is this vacuum(similar to spacetime) capable of being wrapped due to presence of Gravitational field flowing through it?
 
aditya23456 said:
are the velocities of both galaxies in match with there mutual gravitational pull without need of any dark matter concept?
No.

As mentioned the medium between galaxies is perfect vacuum
Not perfect, but extremely good.

Can we distinguish this vacuum with space,ie Is this vacuum(similar to spacetime) capable of being wrapped due to presence of Gravitational field flowing through it?
Vacuum is space with no matter at that place. I don't understand the question.
 

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