What's that stuff around your eyes?

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The discussion revolves around the topic of makeup, particularly in the context of young women and societal expectations. Participants explore personal experiences, opinions on makeup use, and the implications of makeup on self-esteem and identity. The conversation touches on generational differences, parental attitudes, and cultural perceptions of beauty.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the amount of makeup used by young women, questioning whether it is necessary or excessive.
  • Others argue that makeup can serve as a confidence booster for young women navigating societal pressures regarding appearance.
  • A few participants share personal anecdotes about their experiences with makeup and parental expectations, highlighting the impact of these experiences on their self-image.
  • There are contrasting views on whether to allow young women to wear makeup freely or to guide them towards more modest use.
  • Some participants emphasize the superficial nature of makeup while acknowledging its pervasive role in society.
  • One participant mentions the influence of media and advertising on perceptions of beauty and the pressure it creates for young women.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that while makeup can be seen as unnecessary, it can also provide a sense of empowerment and self-expression for some individuals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role and necessity of makeup. There are multiple competing views regarding its impact on self-esteem, societal expectations, and personal choice, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express discomfort with societal beauty standards and the influence of media, while others indicate a more personal approach to makeup that varies by individual preference and experience. The discussion reflects a range of attitudes towards makeup, from acceptance to criticism, without resolving the underlying tensions.

  • #31
BobG said:
Yeah, even my dad didn't make me do problems from college books at 8 years old. I just had to add up all of the bowling scores in my head, update everyone's average, and calculate the team handicap for the next week.

He did teach us a cool counting game for road trips, though. Seven kids, so we played sevens. You would work your way around the car, counting upward, with each kid saying the next number. Except if the number had a seven in it or was divisible by seven, you had to clap instead. If you messed up, you were out of the game and the last person standing won.

It was always great fun until we got up to the 7000's. So we had to modify the game so if the number had both a seven in it and was divisible by seven, you had to do a double clap. And if it had a seven in it and was a prime number, you had to put your finger inside your mouth and make that popping sound as you popped your finger out against the corner of your mouth.

About that time, my mom would start thinking about divorce. And cursing child custody laws that almost always gave custody to the mother.

:smile:
 
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  • #32
GeorginaS said:
Um, Dave? How come you're well-versed in the cost of hookers?

They probably had to split the cost for one when they were kids.

Evo said:
I'm fake.

Nice try, but I still have that swimsuit photo of you on my desktop... so I know that the important bits are real. :wink:

If you take a look at my avatar, you'll see that I occasionally wear a tad too much make-up myself.

Despite my somewhat advanced years, I confess that I have an... appreciation :rolleyes: that borders upon fetishism for the Goth look. Make-up, piercings, tats, non-traditional hairstyles, fangs... you name it. If she clanks or bites, I want her.
I also have a very strong attraction to the more standard version of beauty. Sophia Loren, Natalie Wood, Evo (yeah, you're in there whether or not you like it, Sweetheart)... and I firmly believe that Audrey Hepburn was the most beautiful woman who ever lived.
Still, all of that is superficial. If a total masterpiece of female construction turns out to be a *****, any sense of physical attraction immediately vanishes. Conversely, a couple of women who were (using my mother's terminology) "as homely as a mud fence" have begun to look quite pretty after some conversation.
Astro, your life contradicts your words in a way. This is certainly not implying any sort of attempted deception on your part, but perhaps something that has escaped your own notice. You would not have your black belts and degrees and ridiculously super-human physique had you not invested vast amounts of time, effort, and dedication into achieving them. I think that I know you well enough to say that you did so in order to better yourself in your own opinion rather than to mollify anyone else. Still, those factors are all sexual attractants in our species. For whatever reason it is done, one of the primary results of a man pumping iron or getting a nice haircut is the same as that of a woman applying mascara or donning a push-up bra. The only difference is that it doesn't wear off as quickly. I'm (almost) willing to bet that some part of your self-maintenance is out of respect for your wife, to show her that you love her enough to remain attractive to her even though you don't have to. You are one of those rare individuals who honestly doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks about you as long as you're comfortable with yourself, but you relinquish some of that individuality for the sake of family and friends. Most people in developed countries don't have that luxury. Preening and primping, misguided or not, is in aid of gaining social acceptance. That can be for sexual purposes, to gain employment, to avoid a speeding ticket, or whatever else is needed.
For the record, I find the young lady in the OP photograph very hot. In fact, if only I could remember where I left that tub of Chrisco, there's an idea formulating...
 
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