What's the Difference Between Zero Divisors and Torsion Elements?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of zero divisors and torsion elements in the context of rings and modules, particularly within advanced linear algebra. Participants seek to clarify the definitions and differences between these two mathematical concepts.

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  • One participant requests definitions and explanations of zero divisors and torsion elements, noting their perceived similarities.
  • Another participant provides a definition of zero divisors as elements in a ring that can multiply with a non-zero element to yield zero, while defining torsion elements in modules as elements annihilated by a non-zero element of the ring.
  • A participant observes a difference in the definitions regarding right and left multiplication, questioning the implications in non-commutative cases.
  • Another participant acknowledges the distinction in definitions, suggesting that in non-commutative settings, there are specific terms like left zero divisor and right zero divisor, and mentions the concept of a "regular" element.
  • One participant notes variations in definitions among different authors, citing a broader definition of torsion elements that does not require the annihilating element to be a non-zero divisor.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the definitions and their implications, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the nuances of zero divisors and torsion elements, particularly in non-commutative contexts.

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Some definitions may depend on the context of commutative versus non-commutative rings, and there are noted discrepancies in definitions among different mathematical texts.

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So I've been studying advanced linear algebra and have started learning about modules. However, I am having a hard time understanding the difference between a zero divisor and a torsion elements. The definitions seem extremely similar. Can someone offer a good definition of each and an explanation of the difference?
 
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i looked in atiyah macdonald and found this.

zero divisor is a concept applied to a ring, while torsion element is the analogous concept applied to a module. i.e. in a ring A, x is a zero divisor if xy=0 for some y≠0 in A.

If A is a ring and M is an A module, an element z of m is a torison element if xz=0 for some non zero divisor x in A.e.g. in an abelian group M, hence a module over the integers, an element z of M is torsion if and only if it generates a subgroup of finite order, i.e. if and only if nz = 0 for some n ≠0. in the integers there are of course no zero divisors (except 0).
 
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Okay I think I understand now. However, I am noticing that the first definition invokes right multiplication whereas the second definition invokes left multiplication. In a module over a commutative ring this obviously won't make a difference, but is there some sort of subtle significance in the non commutative case?
 
i was thinking of the commutative case as i always do. (i read it in atiyah macdonald's book "commutative algebra".) in the non commutative case i suppose one has more notions, left zero divisor, right zero divisor, and a torsion element should be annihilated by a ring element which is neither i suppose, i.e. a "regular" element, but i am not an expert.
 
Okay, that makes sense, thanks!
 
there seems however to be some variation among different authors as Dummit and Foote e.g. define torsion elements more broadly, as any z such that xz=0 for a non zero element x of the ring, without requiring that x is not zero divisior. the more restriced definition came from a wiki article i found.
 

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