What's the Rule for Possessives in Physics Terms?

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The discussion revolves around the grammatical rules for possessives in physics terminology, specifically focusing on phrases like "Einstein equation" versus "Einstein's equation" and "Newton law" versus "Newton's law." Participants explore the implications of these constructions and their usage in academic writing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the correctness of using "Einstein equation" and "Newton law," suggesting that "Einstein's equation" and "Newton's law" are grammatically preferable.
  • There is a suggestion that if referring to a specific law, one could use "the second Newton law" or "Newton's second law," but the phrasing may lead to ambiguity.
  • One participant argues that the editors at Elsevier were incorrect in changing "the Newton second law" to "the Newton’s second law," asserting that the former construction is clearer.
  • Another participant expresses that both "Newton's second law" and "the second Newton law" are acceptable, with a preference for the former due to common usage.
  • Concerns are raised about the grammatical implications of placing a definite article before a proper name in the genitive form, with "the Young's modulus" cited as a potential exception.
  • A separate comment introduces a humorous note about the debate surrounding "Green's Functions" versus "Green Functions," indicating ongoing discussions about possessive forms in other contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the correct usage of possessives in physics terms, with no clear consensus reached on the rules or preferences for specific phrases.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is influenced by personal impressions and common usage rather than established grammatical rules, highlighting the ambiguity and variability in language application within the field.

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What is correct, Einstein equation or Einstein's equation? Newton law or Newton's law? Allegedly the correct answers are Einstein equation and Newton's law, but that doesn't seem logical to me. What is the general rule?
 
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Grammatically should be

' the Einstein equation ' or ' Einstein's equation ' .

' the Newton laws ' or ' Newton's laws '

If referring to a specific law of the set then :

' the second Newton law ' or ' Newton's second law ' or ' the second of Newton's laws ' .
 
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Nidum said:
Grammatically should be

' the Einstein equation ' or ' Einstein's equation ' .

' the Newton laws ' or ' Newton's laws '

If referring to a specific law of the set then :

' the second Newton law ' or ' Newton's second law ' or ' the second of Newton's laws ' .
Makes sense, but recently editors in Elsevier changed my "the Newton second law" into "the Newton’s second law". Are they wrong?
 
Yes - they are wrong .

English grammar mostly works like mathematics .

The (second ( Newton's ( law ))) is not the same as The ( Newton's ( second ( law )))

The first construction means that you refer to Newton's laws and specifically to the second one . This is clear and correct .

The other construction actually means that you refer to second laws and specifically to Newton's one . At best bad grammar but in a more complex reference could cause multiple ambiguities .
 
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Demystifier said:
recently editors in Elsevier changed my "the Newton second law" into "the Newton’s second law". Are they wrong?
Both look wrong to me. Either "Newton's second law" or "the second Newton law". The first is more usual. My impression is that custom dictates "Smith's law" and "the Smith equation", but I don't know if anyone has made this an official rule.
To me, "the second Newton law" implies the second of Newton's laws (as distinct from the first or third); "the Newton second law" implies Newton's second law, as opposed to anyone else's second law (e.g. Mr. Thermodynamics). Or even a law about a quantity with units of N s.
It is definitely bad grammar to put the definite article before an individual's proper name in the genitive. The only example I can immediately think of is "the Young's modulus", which is common usage.
 
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I just got back from a long argument about Green's Functions vs. Green Functions. I wonder what other colors they come in?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I just got back from a long argument about Green's Functions vs. Green Functions. I wonder what other colors they come in?

Green's windmill:

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Green windmill:

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