What's the significance of the phase in a coherent state?

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The discussion centers on the significance of the phase in a coherent state within quantum mechanics, exploring its implications for expectation values and relationships between position and momentum. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to coherent states.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a coherent state and poses a question about the significance of the phase associated with the state, specifically regarding the consequences of selecting a new phase.
  • Another participant suggests examining the expectation values of position and momentum to understand the phase's significance.
  • It is noted that the expectation values relate to the real and imaginary parts of the complex parameter α, leading to a relationship between the expectations of position and momentum.
  • There is a reference to classical mechanics concepts such as phase space and action-angle variables, indicating a potential connection to classical analogs of quantum states.
  • A participant mentions that α is time-dependent, highlighting that coherent states are not energy eigenstates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the mathematical relationships involving expectation values but do not reach a consensus on the broader implications of the phase in coherent states or the significance of the time dependence of α.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of changing the phase or the full significance of the time dependence of α in coherent states. There are references to classical mechanics that may require further exploration to fully understand their relevance.

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In a coherent state defined by |\alpha\rangle = \exp{\left(-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}\right)}\exp{\left(\alpha \hat{a}^\dagger\right)} |0\rangle there is a definite phase associated with the state by \alpha = |\alpha| \exp{\left(i\theta\right)} where the number operator and phase operator are conjugates, -i\partial_{\theta} = \hat{n}. The meaning of the number operator is obvious but what is the significance of the phase in this state? What would be a consequence of picking a new phase for this state?
 
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Take the expectation value of x and p and you will see.
 
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So i get \langle x\rangle \propto \Re{(\alpha)} and \langle p \rangle \propto \Im{(\alpha)}. Which gives the relation \langle p \rangle = m\omega\langle x \rangle \tan\theta. So it gives the relation between expectations of x and p.
 
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So i get \langle x\rangle \propto \Re{(\alpha)} and \langle p \rangle \propto \Im{(\alpha)}. Which gives the relation \langle p \rangle = m\omega\langle x \rangle \tan\theta. So it gives the relation between expectations of x and p.
Yes. Are you familiar with the phase space from classical mechanics, or action-angle variables?
 
DrDu said:
Yes. Are you familiar with the phase space from classical mechanics, or action-angle variables?
With phase space yes, but not with action angle variables. I'll read about them though, Thanks!
 
Also take in mind that alpha is time dependent as coherent states aren't energy eigenstates.
 

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