Whats wrong with my derivation?

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The discussion revolves around a derivation related to work done in the context of stress, strain, and bulk modulus in physics. The original poster attempts to derive an expression for work done using a relationship between force, stress, and area, while questioning the validity of their approach compared to a textbook method.

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  • Participants raise questions about the validity of specific equations used in the derivation, particularly the relationship between changes in volume and length. There is also discussion about the treatment of finite versus infinitesimal changes in volume and length.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the original poster's derivation and suggest that there may be inconsistencies in how variables are defined and used. Others reference the textbook's approach as potentially correct, indicating that the discussion is exploring multiple interpretations without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of a textbook's method that treats a change in length as related to a change in volume, which is a point of contention in the discussion. The original poster notes that this is not a homework question but rather a doubt regarding their understanding of the derivation.

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force = stress x area [for a volume stress or normal stress and we are going to find out the work done ]
Force = bulk modulus x strain x area
F= K.s.a
F = K.(dv/V).a {change in volume by original volume}
work done dW = F.dx
dW = k.(dv/V).a.dx
integrating;
W = ∫ ∫k.(dv/V).a.dx
= ∫ ∫k.(dv/X).dx {area / volume = length}
= ∫k.(dv/X) ∫ dx
= ∫k.(dv/X)x
= k(v/X)x
Is this right, or what's wrong in my calculation [in t.book they've taken a.dx as volume change and then integrated. why not in this method}
my textbooks says its 1/2(Kv^/V)
v = change in volume
V = original volume
x =Change in length
X= Original lenth
K = bulk modulusthis is not a homework but a doubt of mine
 
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hi caspernorth! :smile:

i'm a bit confused as to what this is about :confused:, but the following line looks wrong to me …
caspernorth said:
dW = k.(dv/V).a.dx

i don't like seeing two d's on the RHS :redface:

shouldn't there be a relation between v and x, something like x = v/A so dx = dv/A, and you end up with a vdv ?
 
Things changed whilst I was thinking about this one, Hello Tiny Tim.

The book is correct because the force varies linearly from zero to F so averages 1/2F.

However, like Tiny Tim I am struggling to follow quite what you are doing.
 
I think part of the confusion is that you start off with "dV" being a finite change in volume (related to the amount of strain) and your "dx" is an infinitesimal change in length.

But when you integrate, you seem to be treating dv as an infinitesimal change of volume.

You can't use the "dv" to mean two different things, but as the other answers said its hard to follow exactly what you were trying to do.
 

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