When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the processes that occur when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere and transforms into a meteor. Participants explore the mechanisms of heat generation during this transition, including the roles of friction and air compression, as well as the potential for quantitative analysis of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the heat generated during a meteoroid's atmospheric entry is primarily due to friction between the meteoroid and the air.
  • Others argue that most of the heat is generated from the compression of air rather than friction, leading to high surface temperatures that can cause the meteoroid to burn up.
  • A participant suggests that the analysis of meteoroid entry might be conducted numerically using the Navier-Stokes equations, indicating the complexity of the problem.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of a meteoroid's chemical composition in determining its likelihood of reaching the ground, distinguishing between "dirty snowballs" and metallic meteoroids.
  • A later reply provides an anecdote about a meteoroid that impacted near Odessa, TX, highlighting the rapid cooling of the object after it was picked up.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary source of heat generation during meteoroid entry, with some emphasizing friction and others focusing on air compression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms and the methods used for quantitative analysis.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the physical processes involved and the potential for numerical modeling, but does not resolve the complexities or provide definitive conclusions on the mechanisms at play.

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When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere and becomes a meteor, it burns due to great fraction between the rock and and the air. But how scientists calculate the exact amount of kinetic energy converted to heat due to fricton and how much of this is used to heat up the rock and how much of it is used to heat up the air surronds it? Can they quantitatively analyze each part of its journey until it hits the ground?
 
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yasar1967 said:
When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere and becomes a meteor, it burns due to great fraction between the rock and and the air. But how scientists calculate the exact amount of kinetic energy converted to heat due to friction and how much of this is used to heat up the rock and how much of it is used to heat up the air that surrounds it? Can they quantitatively analyze each part of its journey until it hits the ground?

I'm not entirely sure about this, but I suspect that the problem is analysed numerically (using a computer/supercomputer), using the Navier-Stokes equations. The problem is really very complex, and involves both frictional effects (stokes drag) and the creation of a turbulent wake behind the meteoroid, which leads to a stark pressure difference which slows the meteoroid down. This is just a guess though, I'm not in the business of atmospheric meteoroid modelling. It's also possible that they analyse historical meteoroid data to watch for trends and thus build up empirical models.
 
Most of the heat is due to a very high amount of compression of the air, not friction. The amount of heat generated is very large, and the temperature of the object's surfaces becomes very high before it the heat output through radiation and convection via the air balance out the heat input, usually high enough to burn up the meteor.
 
Be aware that the chance of a meteorite penetrating Earth's atmosphere to a "ground event" has a great deal to do with it's chemical composition.
 
pallidin said:
Be aware that the chance of a meteorite penetrating Earth's atmosphere to a "ground event" has a great deal to do with it's chemical composition.

You are correct. The two general classifications are "dirty snowballs" and "metallic".
Dirty snowballs usually explode high in the atmosphere, often referred to as a bolide event.
Metallic objects have to be a certain size to penetrate the atmosphere and hit the ground.
Near Odessa, TX, several years ago, an object hit the ground near a little league ball game. The boys who picked it up told the reporter that it was very hot when they picked it up but that within a few minutes is was very cold. This makes sense when you realize how cold space is and how little time friction had to heat up the object.
 
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rcgldr said:
Most of the heat is due to a very high amount of compression of the air, not friction. The amount of heat generated is very large, and the temperature of the object's surfaces becomes very high before it the heat output through radiation and convection via the air balance out the heat input, usually high enough to burn up the meteor.

Rapid compression of air can generate such levels of heat that Indonesions have used two bamboo tubes forming a piston chamber combination with a little tinder in the chamber to ignite fires. When the piston is forced down into the chamber the tinder ignites.
 

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