When are Lumped-element models used in the design process?

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The discussion revolves around the use of lumped-element (or lumped-parameter) models in the mechanical engineering design process. Participants explore when these models are applied, their relevance in different design phases, and their utility in both analysis and design of system elements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that lumped-element models are primarily used in the Concept design phase and for system-level design, but express uncertainty about their application in other contexts.
  • One participant describes a practical application of lumped-element models in analyzing a gearless wide web high-speed flexographic printer, indicating that different levels of model complexity were used for various components.
  • Another participant comments on the simplicity of lumped-parameter models, noting that even characterizing a spring with a single parameter is a significant simplification.
  • A participant shares their experience using lumped parameter models for torsional vibration response calculations in engine-generator sets, highlighting their application in eigenvalue problems and forced responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific applications of lumped-element models in the design process, and multiple competing views regarding their use and effectiveness remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying levels of complexity in modeling approaches and the potential limitations of lumped-element models, but does not resolve the implications of these limitations or the specific contexts in which they may be applied.

Simas
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Hi everybody,

Academic papers in mechanical engineering use often lumped-element (or lumped-parameter) models such as a typical quarter car model. However, books about the (mechanical) engineering design methodologies (such as by authors Dieter, Shigley, or Pahl-Beitz) seem to not mention this specific type of models.
Given that lumped-element models are usually strong simplifications, my guess would be that these type of models are mainly used in the Concept design phase and for system-level design, but I am not sure and I am wondering if they are also used for other purposes (maybe in more complex forms?).

Hence, to make long story short my questions are:
[1] When are these models used in the (mechanical) design process?
[2] Are this type of models only used in the industry to analyse a system (e.g. full suspension) or also to design system elements (e.g. damper or spring)?

I'm struggling for a long time to understand this, thus any help would be highly appreciated!
Thank you in advance,

Simon
 
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We use the simplest model that provides the necessary information. An example is the analysis of a gearless wide web high speed flexographic printer:

The frame side sway natural frequency was analyzed using lumped masses for the rolls.
The roll natural frequencies were analyzed using full roll models with detail simplifications.
The roll vibration damping system was analyzed using a lumped mass model.
Critical roll adjustment brackets were analyzed with no simplifications.

The resulting printer met all design specifications without vibration problems over the entire speed range.
 
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jrmichler,
Thank you very much for your swift reply!
 
Just in passing, let me put on my (dusty) physicist hat and point out that characterizing a spring using a single parameter k is already a grotesquely crude lumped-parameter model. It is the heart of all engineering practice and the hardest part of really good engineering.
 
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I have used lumped parameter models for the torsional vibration response calculation of many engine-generator sets. This includes both the eigenvalue problem and the forced response.
 
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Thank you Dr. D and hutchphd!
 

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