When can I use inverse differentials to calculate derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the relationship between derivatives can be expressed using inverse differentials, specifically when calculating dx/dt from dt/dx. Participants explore the applicability of this relationship in the context of differentiable functions and their inverses.

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  • One participant questions the conditions under which the relationship dx/dt = 1/(dt/dx) holds, particularly when knowing t(x) but not x(t).
  • Another participant clarifies that the terms used are derivatives rather than differentials, suggesting that the reciprocal relationship holds if x(t) has a differentiable inverse and dx/dt is not zero.
  • A third participant provides a more formal explanation involving invertible functions and composite functions, illustrating the relationship with an example using X(t) = t^3 and its inverse.
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There is some agreement on the conditions required for the relationship to hold, particularly regarding the need for a differentiable inverse and the non-zero condition of dx/dt. However, there is a lack of consensus on the terminology used (differentials vs. derivatives) and the implications of these terms in the context of the discussion.

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Participants note the importance of differentiability and the existence of inverses, but the discussion does not resolve the terminology debate or fully clarify the implications of these conditions.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in mathematics and physics who are exploring the relationships between derivatives and their inverses, particularly in the context of calculus and differential equations.

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This is a simple dummy question. What are the conditions under which the following relationship holds,

dx/dt = Inverse(dt/dx) = 1/(dt/dx)

meaning if I want to do a derivative and I know t(x) but not x(t) when can I just calculate dt/dx and put it over 1 to get dx/dt. I see this in derivations a lot, but always wonder what the realm of applicability is.

thanks.
 
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First those are not "differentials", they are "derivatives". I mention that because I don't believe the "inverse" of a differential exists.

1/(dx/dt)= dt/dx (it would be better to say "reciprocal" rather than "inverse") as long as x(t) has a differentiable inverse function- and dx/dt is not 0. And it can be shown that a differentiable function has a differentiable inverse on some neighborhood of (t_0, x(t_0)), dx/dt is not 0 so you really only need the condition that dx/dt is not 0.
 
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Suppose you have an invertible function X(t), i.e, there exists a function T(x), so that
the composite function h(x)=X(T(x))=x, and the composite function H(t)=T(X(t))=t, for all values of x and t.

Then we have, for example:
\frac{dh}{dx}=\frac{dX}{dt}\mid_{t=T(x)}*\frac{dT}{dx}=1

Thus, we get:
\frac{dT}{dx}=\frac{1}{\frac{dX}{dt}\mid_{t=T(x)}}

Let us take an example:

Let X(t)=t^{3}\to{T}(x)=\sqrt[3]{x}

Then, we have:
\frac{dT}{dx}=\frac{1}{3}x^{-\frac{2}{3}}
whereas:
\frac{dX}{dt}=3t^{2},\frac{dX}{dt}\mid_{t=T(x)}=3x^{\frac{2}{3}}
and the reciprocal of this agreeing with the former expression.
 
thanks Halls and arildno, that makes it clear.
 

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