When is a hamiltonian separable and when isnt it?

In summary, the 3D Schrödinger Equation can be solved by assuming the wave function solution is a product of 3 wave functions for different independent variables. In these cases, the eigen-energies are usually an additive combination of the eigen-energies for each variable's separate Schrödinger Equation. This is based on a foundation in PDE's and Fourier Analysis. However, there are some classical potentials that can lead to separable solutions in both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics. The Hamiltonian is typically separable in most physical coordinate systems, but not for many-body problems.
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So if you have a 3D Shrodinger Equation problem, what allows you so assume that the wave function solution is going to be a product of 3 wave functions where each wave function is for a different independent variable?

And also is it true that in general in these cases the eigen-energies are going to be the additive combination of the eigen-energies for of the separate SE problems for each of the variables?

Thanks,
Ben
 
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Yes on both counts. The foundation of this is a course in PDE's and Fourier Analysis.
 
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thanks for the reply but I am afraid you havnt answered my first question - are you saying that the Hamiltonian is always separable? I was under the impression that it is separable only in a minority of cases.
 
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H is separable in most physical coordinate systems, like Cartesian, Spherical, Cylindrical, Elliptic, Parabollic, and about eight others. This is a majority of cases. Arfken discussed this in earlier editions.
 
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There's also a small number of classical potentials which lead to completely integrable solutions both in the classical mechanics and in the quantum one.
 
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Unless the potential is not separable, (I can't remember one that wasn't) you should be able to use separation of variables to decouple the differential equations. clem stated correctly that there are a bunch of coordinate systems where separation is possible, Morse and Feshback give them all and do the separating for you as does Stratton and Smythe (both classic E&M texts). Unfortunately, and this is a short coming in Jackson, he does not.
 
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thanks to you all.
 
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The Schrödinger equation is not separable for any many-body problems (such as the electronic Schrödinger equation). The same situation applies to the classical equations of motion for a many-body ssytem.
 

1. What is a Hamiltonian function?

A Hamiltonian function is a mathematical concept used in classical mechanics to describe the dynamic behavior of a physical system. It is a function of position and momentum variables, and is often used to calculate the system's equations of motion.

2. What does it mean for a Hamiltonian to be separable?

A Hamiltonian is said to be separable if it can be expressed as the sum of two or more independent functions. This means that the Hamiltonian can be broken down into simpler components that do not interact with each other.

3. How do you determine if a Hamiltonian is separable?

There are several ways to determine if a Hamiltonian is separable. One method is to check if the Hamiltonian can be expressed as the sum of two or more independent functions. Another method is to use the Poisson bracket, which measures the degree of interaction between different components of the Hamiltonian.

4. Why is it important to know if a Hamiltonian is separable or not?

The separability of a Hamiltonian can have significant implications for the dynamics of a physical system. If a Hamiltonian is separable, it means that the system's equations of motion can be solved more easily. It also allows for the identification of conserved quantities, which can provide insight into the system's behavior.

5. Can a Hamiltonian be both separable and non-separable?

No, a Hamiltonian cannot be both separable and non-separable at the same time. It is either one or the other, depending on its mathematical structure and the properties of the physical system it describes.

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