When Magnetic field is suddenly switched off

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving a uniform non-conducting ring subjected to a sudden change in a magnetic field. The ring, which has mass and charge, is initially stationary and experiences a magnetic field that is abruptly switched off. Participants are exploring the implications of this change on the ring's motion and angular speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the magnetic field and the induced electric field, questioning how the sudden change in magnetic flux affects the ring's rotation. Some express confusion about the physical principles at play, particularly regarding torque and induced effects.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of concepts such as Faraday's law and the nature of induced electric fields. Some participants have offered insights into the mechanics of the problem, while others are still seeking clarity on specific equations and their derivations. The conversation reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with no definitive consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the problem's setup, including the mass and charge of the ring, and the nature of the magnetic field's change. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in relating these factors to the resulting motion of the ring.

AGNuke
Gold Member
Messages
455
Reaction score
9
A uniform non conducting ring of mass 1 kg, radius 1 m and having charge 1 mC distributed uniformly is free to rotate only about its central axis. Initially, a uniform magnetic field of 103 T is applied in a circular region of radius 0.5 m with centre on axis of ring. The ring was initially stationary. Now the magnetic field is suddenly switched off.

Now, the angular speed of the ring just after switch-off the magnetic field is? (1/8 Rads/sec)

I thought that since magnetic field is suddenly switched off, the flux (in the small circular region) would also become zero suddenly. So, in order to counter the change, the charged ring will rotate in such a manner so as to conserve the flux enclosed by the ring. ∴
B_{initial}A_{region}=B_{ring}A_{ring}
10^3\times \pi(0.5)^2=\frac{\mu_0i}{2R}\times \pi(1)^2
i=\frac{dq}{dt}=\frac{Q}{2\pi R}\frac{Rd\theta}{dt}=\frac{Q\omega}{2\pi}
I must be going horrendously wrong somewhere because I am not even in remote to the options mentioned, let alone the answer. Please help. Seems like I am missing quite something I am unable to point myself at.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
AGNuke said:
I thought that since magnetic field is suddenly switched off, the flux (in the small circular region) would also become zero suddenly. So, in order to counter the change, the charged ring will rotate in such a manner so as to conserve the flux enclosed by the ring. ∴
B_{initial}A_{region}=B_{ring}A_{ring}
There is no such law of nature. Consider the extreme case where the ring is very massive while the charge on the ring is infinitesimal. Could switching off the B field cause the ring to rotate fast enough to generate a flux that would equal the original flux?

Faraday's law (or Lenz's law) implies only that the induced rotation of the ring will be in a direction such as to "oppose" the change in flux caused by switching off B. But "oppose" doesn't mean "maintain a constant value of flux".

Think about what physical quantity acts on the ring to make it start to rotate. Can you think of a way to relate that physical quantity to the changing B field?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
You mean to say I need something which can apply a Torque on the ring? Sorry to say but I am at my wits' end.

UPDATE Are you implying Induced Electric field which is due to changed Magnetic field?
 
Last edited:
AGNuke said:
UPDATE Are you implying Induced Electric field which is due to changed Magnetic field?

Yes.

ehild
 
My Solution

Alright. Let's see... I think I got it. Here it is:
Induced Electric Field is given by:\oint \vec{E}.\mathrm{d}\vec{l}=-\frac{\mathrm{d} \Phi_B}{\mathrm{d} t}
\Rightarrow E.2\pi R=-\frac{dB\times \pi(R/2)^2}{dt}
Force on elemental charge on the ring will be tangential to the ring (since Electric field is also circular). Therefore, the Torque is given by\tau=\oint dq.\vec{E}\times \vec{R}\Rightarrow MR^2\alpha=EQR
\Rightarrow MR^2\int_{0}^{t}\alpha dt=-\int_{B}^{0} dB\frac{\pi R^2/4}{2\pi R}QR
\Rightarrow M\omega=\frac{1}{8}BQ
Now B = 103T, Q = 1 mC and M = 1 kg, the answer comes out to be 1/8 Rads/sec.

I hope that this solution is correct.
 
It looks correct. Nice work!

ehild
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Never would had guessed about Induced Electric field if hadn't asked here. Each time I solve a question, I realize I need to know this and that. Someone really said, Increaseth knowledge, Increaseth Sorrow. (Now we are not supposed to be happy are we? :wink:)
 
Never would had guessed about Induced Electric field if hadn't asked here. Each time I solve a question, I realize I need to know this and that. Someone really said, Increaseth knowledge, Increaseth Sorrow. (Now we are not supposed to be happy are we? :wink:)
 
Don't you feel happy when you understand something? That things happen in the way they should? That there are simple laws governing the Universe... :smile:

ehild
 
  • #10
I enjoy things at "my" pace and things at the moment are well beyond it. Like I was very amused to read about Quantum Physics, MWI and stuff, even though I didn't understood one bit of it.

So right now, all that knowledge is pressing hard against me. There is happiness in discovering facts, but unhapiness over how less we know...:mad:
 
  • #11
You never can know everything. Enjoy what you know and be ready to learn new things.

ehild
 
  • #12
AGNuke said:
Force on elemental charge on the ring will be tangential to the ring (since Electric field is also circular). Therefore, the Torque is given by\tau=\oint dq.\vec{E}\times \vec{R}\Rightarrow MR^2\alpha=EQR

I know that you are done with this thread but could you please tell me from where you got this equation? :)

Thanks!
 
  • #13
Pranav-Arora said:
I know that you are done with this thread but could you please tell me from where you got this equation? :)

Thanks!

What force would act on charge dq in field E? And what torque would it produce?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
  • #14
voko said:
What force would act on charge dq in field E? And what torque would it produce?

##dq \cdot E##? About CM of ring, it produces a torque of dqER. Looks like I got it. Thanks voko! :smile:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K