When to settle your differences, and when to seccede.

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which conflicting groups within a nation should resolve their differences or consider secession to form separate countries. It touches on historical and contemporary examples, including Iraq, the US Civil War, and the Taiwan situation, exploring the complexities of ethnic, political, and resource-related factors influencing such decisions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that resolving differences should be attempted first, and only if those efforts fail should secession be considered, emphasizing the need for functional autonomy of any new nations.
  • Others argue that in cases of deep-seated ethnic conflict, like in Iraq, forming separate nations may be the most viable solution.
  • A participant notes the slippery slope concern regarding secession, suggesting that allowing states to secede based on policy differences could lead to fragmentation and instability.
  • Another viewpoint highlights that if peace efforts fail and violence threatens neighboring nations, division may be beneficial, citing examples like Israel and Palestine or Kashmir.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of compromise and negotiation over secession, arguing that many disputes stem from differing opinions rather than irreconcilable differences.
  • A later reply mentions that foreign intervention often complicates these issues, suggesting that internal resolution of boundaries may lead to more accepted outcomes.
  • It is noted that the historical context and complexity of each situation can significantly differ, affecting the appropriateness of secession versus resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on whether secession or resolution is preferable, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific historical contexts and the distribution of resources, which are not universally applicable. The discussion also reflects varying opinions on the impact of foreign powers in national conflicts.

  • #31
Bob, you've got a really good point. How things should be is the ideal scenario for life. I mean how much easier would things in the Middle East be if everything was as it should be? But that' not the hand the world was dealt and now they have to figure out what the best way to play those cards is.

I want to respond to Russ's earlier post, number 25. The Palestinians never had their own country, but we recognized Israel in 1945 as a soverign state before the close of the second world war. If the Palestinians have never had their own country, then whose country were they part of before Israel? Just curious.
 
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  • #32
misskitty said:
Bob, you've got a really good point. How things should be is the ideal scenario for life. I mean how much easier would things in the Middle East be if everything was as it should be? But that' not the hand the world was dealt and now they have to figure out what the best way to play those cards is.

I want to respond to Russ's earlier post, number 25. The Palestinians never had their own country, but we recognized Israel in 1945 as a soverign state before the close of the second world war. If the Palestinians have never had their own country, then whose country were they part of before Israel? Just curious.

??
there was NO Israel intill the partition in 1948
how could anyone recognize a country BEFORE it became one

prior to the 1948 WAR the holyland was british ruled before ww1 it was turkish ruled

btw how could there be a Isreal back in the pre-1000bce era as claimed
by them when that whole region was part of the EGYPTIAN EMPIRE
in FACT the wandering JEWS NEVER LEFT LANDS OF EGYPTIAN RULE
during the whole of the EXODUS and their claimed kingdom was part of the EGYPTIAN EMPIRE intill post 1000bce except for brief perods of rebellion
 

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