When will two current-carrying wires touch each other

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The discussion centers on the physics problem of determining when and where two current-carrying wires will touch each other. Each wire carries a current of 10 A, has a mass of 2.5 g, and is separated by a distance of 20 cm. The solution involves calculating the magnetic force between the wires using the equations B=μi/2πd and F=μi₁i₂l/2πd. The consensus is that the wires will touch at the midpoint between them, and while the force is not constant, a simplified approach assuming constant force can be used for high school-level understanding.

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Homework Statement


Two wires are free to move, the current in each one is 10 A, the mass of each one is 2.5 g, they are separated by a distance of 20 cm, and the length of each one is 5 cm.
Determine (i) where and (ii) when will the two wire touch each other if they were standing parallel to each other.

Homework Equations


1. B=μi/2πd
2. F= Bil
3. F (interchangeable between two wires) =μi₁i₂l/2πd
4. a= Δv/t = Δx/t²

(Where: B is the magnetic flux density, i is the current, F is the force, a is the acceleration, v is the velocity, x is the distance and t is the time.)

The Attempt at a Solution


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(i) where will they touch each other?
Since the direction of the current is not mentioned in the problem statement, I assumed that the current in both wires would be in the same direction so that they can attract each other.
And since the current in both wires is 10A, and it flows in the same direction, they will touch each other at half the distance between the wires (at point y in Figure below).

(ii) when will they touch each other?
That's my attempt to determine the time they reach point y.
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Note: Δx= 0.1-0=0.1 =x.
(Ia and Ib) are (i₁ and i₂).
So, is my attempt correct?
 
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Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
 
cnh1995 said:
Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
Which differential equations? Clarify please!
 
Asmaa Mohammad said:
Which differential equations? Clarify please!
I gather you are a high school student from your profile. I now doubt that you are supposed to use DEs. Have you formally studied calculus? What is the provided answer?

Maybe you should just assume the force to be constant.
 
cnh1995 said:
I gather you are a high school student from your profile. I now doubt that you are supposed to use DEs. Have you formally studied calculus? What is the provided answer?

Maybe you should just assume the force to be constant.
I studied calculus two years ago. This year I only have physics, chemistry, biology and geology. I remember only a small bit of information about differential equations, because I don't use them in my physics course this year.
There is no a provided answer unfortunately.
And yes, I guess I should assume that the force is constant. So, how would be my attempt at solution putting those points into consideration.
 
cnh1995 said:
Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
Scratch that!
(Even I'm not sure if I can solve it using DEs o:)).

Asmaa Mohammad said:
So, how would be my attempt at solution putting those points into consideration.
I didn't check the numbers but your method looks good to me.
 
cnh1995 said:
Scratch that!
(Even I'm not sure if I can solve it using DEs o:)).I didn't check the numbers but your method looks good to me.
Looks?! But, cnh1995, I depend on your help to pass my physics exam this year :biggrin::biggrin:. I have no teacher and that problem confused me, could you check the numbers, please, and give me the final word.
Thanks in advance:smile::smile:
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
Looks?! But, cnh1995, I depend on your help to pass my physics exam this year :biggrin::biggrin:. I have no teacher and this problem confused me, could you check the numbers, please, and give me the final word.
Thanks in advance:smile::smile:
I am getting the same answers.
 
Ok, thank you very much!
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
Ok, thank you very much!
You're welcome!
 

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