When will two current-carrying wires touch each other

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two current-carrying wires that are free to move and are initially separated by a distance of 20 cm. Each wire carries a current of 10 A and has a mass of 2.5 g. The discussion centers on determining where and when the wires will touch if they are positioned parallel to each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the point of contact based on the assumption that the currents in both wires flow in the same direction, leading to attraction. They also seek to calculate the time it takes for the wires to touch. Participants question the assumption of constant force and suggest the use of differential equations to analyze the problem more accurately.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the forces acting on the wires. Some suggest assuming a constant force for simplification, while others express uncertainty about the applicability of differential equations. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take, but guidance is being offered regarding the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information regarding the direction of the currents, which affects the assumptions made about the forces between the wires. Additionally, the original poster indicates a limited background in calculus, which may influence their ability to engage with the proposed methods involving differential equations.

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Homework Statement


Two wires are free to move, the current in each one is 10 A, the mass of each one is 2.5 g, they are separated by a distance of 20 cm, and the length of each one is 5 cm.
Determine (i) where and (ii) when will the two wire touch each other if they were standing parallel to each other.

Homework Equations


1. B=μi/2πd
2. F= Bil
3. F (interchangeable between two wires) =μi₁i₂l/2πd
4. a= Δv/t = Δx/t²

(Where: B is the magnetic flux density, i is the current, F is the force, a is the acceleration, v is the velocity, x is the distance and t is the time.)

The Attempt at a Solution


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(i) where will they touch each other?
Since the direction of the current is not mentioned in the problem statement, I assumed that the current in both wires would be in the same direction so that they can attract each other.
And since the current in both wires is 10A, and it flows in the same direction, they will touch each other at half the distance between the wires (at point y in Figure below).

(ii) when will they touch each other?
That's my attempt to determine the time they reach point y.
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Note: Δx= 0.1-0=0.1 =x.
(Ia and Ib) are (i₁ and i₂).
So, is my attempt correct?
 
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Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
 
cnh1995 said:
Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
Which differential equations? Clarify please!
 
Asmaa Mohammad said:
Which differential equations? Clarify please!
I gather you are a high school student from your profile. I now doubt that you are supposed to use DEs. Have you formally studied calculus? What is the provided answer?

Maybe you should just assume the force to be constant.
 
cnh1995 said:
I gather you are a high school student from your profile. I now doubt that you are supposed to use DEs. Have you formally studied calculus? What is the provided answer?

Maybe you should just assume the force to be constant.
I studied calculus two years ago. This year I only have physics, chemistry, biology and geology. I remember only a small bit of information about differential equations, because I don't use them in my physics course this year.
There is no a provided answer unfortunately.
And yes, I guess I should assume that the force is constant. So, how would be my attempt at solution putting those points into consideration.
 
cnh1995 said:
Have you studied calculus?
The force is not constant throughout. You need to use differential equations.
Scratch that!
(Even I'm not sure if I can solve it using DEs o:)).

Asmaa Mohammad said:
So, how would be my attempt at solution putting those points into consideration.
I didn't check the numbers but your method looks good to me.
 
cnh1995 said:
Scratch that!
(Even I'm not sure if I can solve it using DEs o:)).I didn't check the numbers but your method looks good to me.
Looks?! But, cnh1995, I depend on your help to pass my physics exam this year :biggrin::biggrin:. I have no teacher and that problem confused me, could you check the numbers, please, and give me the final word.
Thanks in advance:smile::smile:
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
Looks?! But, cnh1995, I depend on your help to pass my physics exam this year :biggrin::biggrin:. I have no teacher and this problem confused me, could you check the numbers, please, and give me the final word.
Thanks in advance:smile::smile:
I am getting the same answers.
 
Ok, thank you very much!
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
Ok, thank you very much!
You're welcome!
 

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