Where am i screwing up? Improper Integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating an improper integral of the form \(\int_{ - \infty}^{\infty}\frac {x^{2}dx}{9 + x^6}\). Participants are exploring various methods of integration, particularly focusing on substitution techniques and the handling of limits.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of splitting the integral and question the handling of limits during substitution. There are varying opinions on whether to convert back to the original variable and how to manage constants pulled from the denominator.

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Some participants have provided guidance on standard procedures for evaluating such integrals, while others express confusion about the implications of changing variables and limits. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the treatment of constants in the integral.

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There are mentions of potential misunderstandings regarding the limits of integration and the notation used for improper integrals. Participants are also considering the implications of using different variable names in their calculations.

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the SM shows a different method but i figure i should arrive at the same answer either way. what step am i screwing up on? thanks!

[tex]\int_{ - \infty}^{\infty}\frac {x^{2}dx}{9 + x^6}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{ - \infty}^{0}\frac {x^{2}dx}{9 + x^6} + \int_{0}^{\infty}\frac {x^{2}dx}{9 + x^6}[/tex]

[tex]u = x^{3}[/tex]
[tex]du = 3x^{2}dx[/tex]

[tex]\frac {1}{3}[\lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\int_{t}^{0}\frac {du}{9 + u^{2}} + \lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\int_{0}^{t}\frac {du}{9 + u^{2}}][/tex]

[tex]3[\lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\int_{t}^{0}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} + \lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\int_{0}^{t}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}}][/tex]

[tex]3[\lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\int_{t}^{0}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \arctan{0} - \arctan{\frac {t^{3}}{3}] +<br /> 3[\lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\int_{0}^{t}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \arctan{\frac {t^{3}}{3} - \arctan{0}][/tex]
 
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The integral isn't singular at x=0. You don't have to split it up. Just do it.
 
you don't need to go from u back to x and then plug-in t. since the limits of u are the same limits for x.

I think your integral should be divided by 1/9...since it's:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{a^2+x^2}=\frac{1}{a}arctan\frac{x}{a}[/tex]

other than that I don't see a problem. what is the solution from SM?
 
my first u-sub is where i got the 1\3 ... then i pulled out a 1\9, but if i pull out that 1\9 it becomes 3.

since i pulled it out from the denominator, simplifying the complex fraction gives me 3 as my constant infront, or no?

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/821/integrallr0.jpg​
 
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If you pull out a 9 from the denominator, wouldn't there be a 1/27 at the front?
In fact, you need not get the 9 out at all. As bob pointed out, there is a standard procedure for dealing with such integrals.
 
neutrino said:
If you pull out a 9 from the denominator, wouldn't there be a 1/27 at the front?
In fact, you need not get the 9 out at all. As bob pointed out, there is a standard procedure for dealing with such integrals.
ah damnit. i been pulling out a 1\9 for some odd reason. i pull out a 9 which gives me the (x\a)^2, lol. whew finally.
 
no I think it goes like this:
[tex]\frac{1}{9+x^2}=\frac{1}{9}\frac{9}{9+x^2}=\frac{1}{9}\frac{1}{\frac{9+x^2}{9}}=\frac{1}{9}\frac{1}{1+(\frac{x}{3})^2}[/tex]
and doing a substitution when you integrate that you have to multiply by 3 so you'd get 1/3 * arctan x/3

what do you get when you plug in for t? I get the same answer as the book.
 
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i get that answer now too! w00t :-] thanks again bob and neutrino!
 
is it ok if i quit using T and just have my integral going from x to 0 etc? it won't be "improper" in terms of notation to do so?
 
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do you mean just replacing t by x and have no limit? or have x -> infinity?

[tex]3[\lim_{x\rightarrow - \infty}\int_{x}^{0}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \arctan{0} - \arctan{\frac {x^{3}}{3}] +<br /> 3[\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty}\int_{0}^{x}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \arctan{\frac {x^{3}}{3} - \arctan{0}][/tex]

that would just lead to confusion, is the x in the limit the same as the original x in the problem?
 
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i think ima just stick to how it's written

but instead of plugging back in t at the end, is it ok if i plug in the infinity symbol to emphasize?

http://www.mathlinks.ro/Forum/weblog_entry.php?t=171287

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o whops ><

you still need the limit sign with t:

[tex]\frac{1}{9}[\lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\int_{t}^{0}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \arctan{0} - \lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\arctan{\frac {t^{3}}{3}] +<br /> \frac{1}{9}[\lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\int_{0}^{t}\frac {du}{1 + (\frac {u}{3})^{2}} = \lim_{t\rightarrow - \infty}\arctan{\frac {t^{3}}{3} - \arctan{0}][/tex]

I was taught that you could do it but just to remember that by pluggin in you don't mean infinity is a number.

[tex]\frac{1}{9}(-\arctan\frac{-\infty^3}{3})+\frac{1}{9}\arctan\frac{\infty^3}{3}=\frac{1}{9}(-\arctan (-\infty)+\arctan\infty)=\frac{1}{9}(\frac{\pi}{2}+\frac{\pi}{2})[/tex]
 

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