Where Can I Find Accurate Planetary Event Data for an Astronomy Course?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding accurate databases of planetary event data for an astronomy course, specifically focusing on the time intervals between when Jupiter and Saturn are in opposition and quadrature with Earth. The context is educational, aimed at enhancing the understanding of the Copernican model using real data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a database of planetary events that extends beyond the current resource's limit of 2009, emphasizing the need for real data to teach students about planetary distances and periods.
  • Another participant suggests searching for "historical ephemeris," which could provide extensive data, potentially covering back 9000 years.
  • A participant confirms that "historical ephemeris" is the correct keyword for their search.
  • One participant mentions Maris software's REDSHIFT as a paid option for obtaining the desired data, while expressing reluctance to spend money for a single assignment.
  • Another participant notes that the ephemerides they reviewed did not include quadrature, which they found surprising, and shares a Stellarium script that can toggle information about planetary events.
  • There is a positive remark about Stellarium as a useful program, indicating personal experience with it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the availability and usefulness of different resources for planetary event data. While some suggest specific tools and databases, there is no consensus on a single best solution, and the discussion remains open-ended.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted limitations in the available ephemerides, particularly regarding the inclusion of quadrature data and the time span of the datasets. There is also mention of varying personal experiences with different software tools.

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Looking for planetary data (oppositions, quadratures) for Jupiter and Saturn that spans at least 30 years.
Hi everyone,
I'm looking for a database of planetary events similar to this resource but that has a longer span of time that can be accessed (the site goes back to 2009). I haven't had success in my google searches. Does anybody know where I can find this information?

In particular I am looking for the time intervals between when Jupiter and Saturn are in opposition with the Earth to when they are in quadrature with the earth. This is being used for an introductory high school astronomy course (next academic year) when we discuss the Copernican cosmos. I'd like to use real data rather than quote averages from other sources when I ask students to determine the distances and periods of the planets according to this model. It's also instructive so see the variation in the time intervals to understand why epicycles were used.

I'm finding that the calculations using the data from the link above agree well with the accepted values except for Jupiter and Saturn. My guess is that this is because I initially used data that spans a few years which is a fraction of Saturn's orbital period. And, the data available in the link site only spans a little less than half of Saturn's orbital period.

I haven't yet checked whether using the 13 years for data helps correct the calculations for Jupiter. I initially only used data over about 5 years.

Thanks!
 
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Google for "historical ephemeris" The first hit I got covered back 9000 years. See what you need...
 
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jim mcnamara said:
historical ephemeris
...is definitely the keyword search that I needed. Thanks!
 
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Maris software has planetarium software called REDSHIFT which does what you seem to want. It costs about $US 50.00
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Well the ephemerides (had to look up that plural!) that I've looked at don't include quadrature which was surprising. I don't think I'm going to spend money to get data for this one assignment, but I did find a Stellarium script that can toggle this information. For anyone that this may help: Stellarium scripts can be found here. The one that will find these events is the "Planetary Events" script.
 
brainpushups said:
Stellarium script that can toggle this information. For anyone that this may help: Stellarium scripts can be found here. The one that will find these events is the "Planetary Events" script.

Yup, Stellarium is a great prog.. I have been using it for many years :smile:
 

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