Where Can I Find Rigorous Solutions for Weak Acid-Weak Base Equilibria?

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This discussion centers on the rigorous analysis of weak acid-weak base equilibria, specifically addressing the complexities of three equilibria: a weak acid, a weak base, and water autoionization. The participants express frustration with the oversimplifications found in standard chemistry texts, which often ignore water's autoionization and make assumptions about the equivalence of weak acid and weak base conversions. A reference to Chembuddy is provided, which offers a more comprehensive approach to pH calculations without relying on approximations. The discussion also includes detailed coefficients for a 10th degree polynomial that describes the interactions between the acid and base.

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Such an equilibrium problem involves 3 equilibria: a weak acid, a weak base, and water autoionization.

I find in various texts that several assumptions are made in dealing with this class of equilibria problems (ignore water's autoionization, conversion of the weak acid is on the order of the conversion of the weak base, etc), and a more rigorous analysis is dismissed as unnecessary (4th order polynomials scare the authors of my chemistry texts :redface:). Perhaps the dismissal is warranted. But that just sparks my curiosity.

Would someone please be kind enough to provide a reference in which this problem is dealt with rigorously, without approximations?

Thanks!
 
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Take a look here:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation&right=toc

In most cases explanations start with a full version of the problem, approximations and simplifications are shown later. Take a look here:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation&right=pH-salt-solution

equation 11.16 - that's kind of thing you will need to work with if you want a full version. It is not in a polynomial form, that would require some additional rearranging, boring and easy to make a mistake, but nothing extraordinary in terms of techniques needed.

If you are still curious - here are coefficients of 10th degree polynomial describing mixture of acid (concentration Ca) and base (Cb), both with 4 dissociation steps:

Code:
a10 = +Kb4;
a9  = +(4*Cb*Kb4+Ka1*Kb4+Kb3*KW); 
a8  = -(Ca*Ka1*Kb4-Cb*(4*Ka1*Kb4+3*Kb3*KW)-Ka1*Kb3*KW-Ka2*Kb4-KW*(Kb2*KW-Kb4)); 
a7  = -(Ca*(Ka1*Kb3*KW+2*Ka2*Kb4)-Cb*(3*Ka1*Kb3*KW+4*Ka2*Kb4+2*Kb2*KW*KW)+Ka1*KW*(Kb4-Kb2*KW)-Ka2*Kb3*KW-Ka3*Kb4-KW*KW*(Kb1*KW-Kb3)); 
a6  = -(Ca*(Ka1*Kb2*KW*KW+2*Ka2*Kb3*KW+3*Ka3*Kb4)-Cb*(2*Ka1*Kb2*KW*KW+3*Ka2*Kb3*KW+4*Ka3*Kb4+Kb1*KW*KW*KW)+Ka1*KW*KW*(Kb3-Kb1*KW)+Ka2*KW*(Kb4-Kb2*KW)-Ka3*Kb3*KW-Ka4*Kb4+KW*KW*KW*(Kb2-KW)); 
a5  = -(Ca*(Ka1*Kb1*KW*KW*KW+2*Ka2*Kb2*KW*KW+3*Ka3*Kb3*KW+4*Ka4*Kb4)-Cb*(Ka1*Kb1*KW*KW*KW+2*Ka2*Kb2*KW*KW+3*Ka3*Kb3*KW+4*Ka4*Kb4)+KW*(Ka1*KW*KW*(Kb2-KW)+Ka2*KW*(Kb3-Kb1*KW)+Ka3*(Kb4-Kb2*KW)-Ka4*Kb3+Kb1*KW*KW*KW)); 
a4  = -KW*(Ca*(Ka1*KW*KW*KW+2*Ka2*Kb1*KW*KW+3*Ka3*Kb2*KW+4*Ka4*Kb3)-Cb*(Ka2*Kb1*KW*KW+2*Ka3*Kb2*KW+3*Ka4*Kb3)+Ka1*Kb1*KW*KW*KW+Ka2*KW*KW*(Kb2-KW)+Ka3*KW*(Kb3-Kb1*KW)+Ka4*(Kb4-Kb2*KW)+KW*KW*KW*KW); 
a3  = -KW*KW*(Ca*(2*Ka2*KW*KW+3*Ka3*Kb1*KW+4*Ka4*Kb2)-Cb*(Ka3*Kb1*KW+2*Ka4*Kb2)+Ka1*KW*KW*KW+Ka2*Kb1*KW*KW+Ka3*KW*(Kb2-KW)+Ka4*(Kb3-Kb1*KW)); 
a2  = -KW*KW*KW*(Ca*(3*Ka3*KW+4*Ka4*Kb1)-Cb*Ka4*Kb1+Ka2*KW*KW+Ka3*Kb1*KW+Ka4*(Kb2-KW)); 
a1  = -KW*KW*KW*KW*(4*Ca*Ka4+Ka3*KW+Ka4*Kb1); 
a0  = -Ka4*KW*KW*KW*KW*KW;

If memory serves me well KW is water ionic product, Kxy is yth overall dissociation constant of x (acid or base). a10 is a coefficient of [H+]10 and so on.

There are better ways of dealing with the problem.
 
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