Where did ancient civilizations get their supply of iron?

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The discussion explores the sources of iron for ancient civilizations, examining historical contexts, the significance of iron in military and industrial applications, and references to notable artifacts and literature related to iron and metallurgy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recount historical instances where isolated groups, such as Eskimos, sourced iron from meteorites, raising questions about trade and resource acquisition.
  • There is a consensus that the Iron Age followed the Bronze Age, with iron and steel being crucial for tools and weapons in ancient military contexts.
  • One participant notes that an ancient Egyptian pharaoh, Tutankhamun, was buried with an iron dagger made from meteoric iron, highlighting the significance of meteoric sources in early iron use.
  • Another participant speculates about the possibility of defining a modern "Aluminum age," reflecting on the historical context of aluminum's development and its impact on society.
  • Several contributions emphasize the ongoing importance of iron throughout history, including its role in World War One and its connection to modern heavy industry in Germany.
  • References to literature, such as "The Arms of Krupp" by William Manchester and works by Vaclav Smil, are made to provide additional context and insights into the history of iron and steel.
  • Discussion includes interest in the development of stainless steel and historical techniques like Damascus steel, indicating a broader curiosity about the evolution of metallurgy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the historical significance of iron and its applications, but there are multiple competing views regarding the sources of iron and the implications of its use in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific historical interpretations and may depend on definitions of "ages" in metallurgy, while discussions about modern materials like aluminum introduce additional complexity that remains unresolved.

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Back in the 19th century British explorers came across Eskimos who were so isolated that they'd forgotten that any other humans existed. Nevertheless they had a little bit of iron that they used to put an edge on their knives. They had no trade so where did they get it?

Fortunately their language was still understandable. They explained that several days' journey away was a big meteorite. They'd go there and chip off some of the iron with a rock.

Explorers in the South Seas found that iron was the most desirable thing there. You could buy a lot with a nail.

In ancient times the military revolved around iron. If you had more iron you could make more weapons and rule. As late as World War One iron mines were important. There were big iron mines near the border of France. Germany wanted the mines so they'd fight for them. To this day German heavy industry is in their far west near the iron mines.

Industry absolutely depends upon steel, the modern version of iron. In eastern Europe steel is "stahl". Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili adopted the much snazzier name of Josef Stalin to cast an image of progress and modernity. It seems to have worked for him.

Iron is still vital but nowadays oil is just as important and harder to get, so oil dominates strategy.
 
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Hornbein said:
In ancient times the military revolved around iron.
Yes - that would be Iron Age, which followed the Bronze Age, and certainly iron and steels were used to make tools and weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age
 
Progress having changed its pace there are no real "ages" any more but can we define an Aluminum age (or moment) ? I am amused that the Washington monument was capped with a nose faring of then-precious aluminum. The Hall process is from the 1880's.
Long ago I smoked (several things). I would sometimes contemplate the marvel that is the Marlboro flip-top box and, in particular, the minutely embossed paper-backed aluminum foil detritis: this devaluation only 75 years post-Hall.
I fervently hope that we scientists have not run out of similar miracles.
 
Hornbein said:
In ancient times the military revolved around iron. If you had more iron you could make more weapons and rule. As late as World War One iron mines were important. There were big iron mines near the border of France. Germany wanted the mines so they'd fight for them. To this day German heavy industry is in their far west near the iron mines.
The OP may be interested in history book "The Arms of Krupp" by William Manchester. This highly readable book describes progress in large steel weapons smelted primarily from minerals mined in the Ruhr Valley in what is now modern Germany. I read this history as a child from my mother's collection. The Amazon entry appears to be a later edition.

Manchester leavens the rather grim story of the Krupp dynasty with amusing anecdotes such as the ultra-wealthy Krupp-by-marriage who maintained quarters above the family horse stables in order to enjoy the supposedly salubrious smells of fresh animal dung.
 
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Klystron said:

I second this recommendation. I read this book 2 or 3 times, first in 7th grade. As mentioned, very readable and interesting. It does spend a good bit on the WWII part of the story, understandable for someone of Manchester's age and background.
 
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