Where Did I Go Wrong in This Conservation of Energy Problem?

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The discussion focuses on a conservation of energy problem involving an elastic string and a mass system. The elastic string has a natural length of 3.0m and can be stretched to 4.0m with a 10.0kg weight. A 15.0kg mass is attached to the midpoint of the string, and the goal is to find its velocity after descending 1.5m. The initial energy of the system includes both gravitational potential energy and elastic potential energy, while the final energy consists of elastic potential energy and kinetic energy. The correct velocity of the mass when it has descended is determined to be 3.13m/s, highlighting the importance of including gravitational potential energy in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


An elastic string of natural length 3.0m can be stretched to a length 4.0m by a weight of mass 10.0kg. Its two extremities are fixed to two points A, B in the same horizontal line at a distance of 4.0m apart, and a mass of 15.0kg is attached to the mid-point. If this mass is released from rest while the string is horizontal, find the velocity of the mass when it has descended a distance of 1.5m


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The Attempt at a Solution


F = kx
10g = k(1)
k = 10g

15g = 10gx
x = 1.5m (Maximum stretched length of the string)

When the mass has fallen a distance of 1.5m, the string is stretched to the length 2(1.52+22)1/2= 5

Thus, stretched length of the string = 1m

0.5(10g)(1.5)2=0.5(10g)(1)2+0.5(15)(v2)
v = 2.86m/s

However, the answer is 3.13m/s. Where did I go wrong?
 
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try to do it by energy consideration. the natural length is 3m and it has been tied between points 4m distant. so the string is already stretched. the energy stored in the string is 1/2 kx2. the mass is initailly 1.5m higher than now(i,e, when it has fallen 1.5m). so the initial energy of the system is 1/2kx2 + mgh. the final energy is 1/2ky2 + 1/2mv2, where y is the current ellongation of the string and v is to be determined. find y by using pythagorian theorem using h and the distance between tied end and u will have only one unknown, in v, to be solved out.
 
gaobo9109 said:
When the mass has fallen a distance of 1.5m, the string is stretched to the length 2(1.52+22)1/2= 5
Good.

Thus, stretched length of the string = 1m
What's the unstretched length of the string? In its initial position, how much is it stretched? In its final position?

Don't neglect gravitational PE when analyzing energy.
 

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