What Is the Origin of Charge in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the origin of charge in physics, exploring whether charge is an intrinsic property of particles or if it has a deeper source related to mass or other fundamental aspects of the universe. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding the nature of charge and its relationship to other physical properties.

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  • One participant questions whether charge is merely a property and not a "thing," suggesting a possible connection to mass and gravitational pull.
  • Another participant asserts that charge does not "come" from anything, likening it to mass as an innate property of particles.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that particles are condensations in an underlying quantum field, proposing that charge and spin are permissible states of these condensations.
  • One participant discusses charge conservation and its relation to symmetries, referencing Noether's theorem and the U(1) charge associated with electric charge.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of charge conservation and its connection to symmetry, providing additional context from quantum mechanics regarding phase factors.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the nature and origin of charge, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing ideas about the relationship between charge, mass, and quantum fields are presented.

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Some claims depend on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics, and there are unresolved questions regarding the fundamental nature of charge and its origins.

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I'm just wondering, and unable to find the answer anywhere on the web

where does charge come from?

is it just a property and not even a "thing" and therefore can't be determined the source of something else. so does charge come from mass? ie gravitational pull
 
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Charge doesn't "come" from anything, to our knowledge. But charge is a lot like mass - in fact i think that's probably the best way to think about it.
It seems to be just an innate property of things in the universe; either they have charge (and some amount of it) or they don't. One of the big questions in theoretical physics is "where do things like mass and charge come from?"
 
It may be helpful to consider that particles are condensations in an underlying quantum field. Once you have embraced that, the charge and spin of particles can be seen as permissible states (or possible states) of these condensations. We should not have to question why every single electron or every single proton manages to assume a particular charge, though it would be very enlightening to learn how/why the quantum field constrains the values of those charges...
 
Generally, charge can be defined as something that is conserved. According to Noether's theorem, it may be associated to a particular symmetry. In the case of electric charge, it follows from the symmetry action when the wavefunction/field is muliptlied by a complex phase e^{i \varphi}, and is sometimes known as a U(1) charge.
 
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Generally, charge can be defined as something that is conserved. According to Noether's theorem, it may be associated to a particular symmetry. In the case of electric charge, it follows from the symmetry action when the wavefunction/field is muliptlied by a complex phase e^{i \varphi}, and is sometimes known as a U(1) charge.

According to Wikipedia:

In quantum mechanics, a phase factor is a complex coefficient eiθ that multiplies a ket or bra . It does not, in itself, have any physical meaning, since the introduction of a phase factor does not change the expectation values of a Hermitian operator. [1]

^ Messiah (1999, p. 296)
 
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