Where is Kim Jong-Un? Rumors, Speculation & Updates

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The discussion revolves around the recent disappearance of Kim Jong-un from public view, with various rumors and speculations regarding his health and potential succession. Participants explore claims from different governments and media sources, as well as the implications of his absence for North Korea's leadership dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention rumors about Kim Jong-un's possible death or incapacitation following a heart operation, citing his absence from public events.
  • Others reference statements from South Korean officials asserting that Kim is alive and well, reportedly staying in the Wonsan area since April 13.
  • A participant discusses the potential motivations for a leadership transition, suggesting that a successor might preserve the previous leader's position while consolidating their own power.
  • Speculation exists regarding Kim's absence being a precaution against COVID-19, with references to U.S. intelligence assessments that lack definitive proof but lean towards this explanation.
  • Some participants challenge the credibility of reports about Kim's health, labeling them as "fake news" while others express skepticism about the media narratives surrounding his condition.
  • U.S. President Trump's comments about Kim's health are mentioned, noting his reluctance to elaborate on the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding Kim Jong-un's health and the implications of his absence. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the various claims or the potential outcomes of the situation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on unverified reports and the varying credibility of sources cited by participants. The discussion reflects a complex interplay of speculation and official statements, with no clear resolution on Kim's status or the future leadership of North Korea.

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Kim Jong-un made headlines recently because he vanished from public. It was rumored he died, or was incapacitated, following a heart operation. There are competing claims from different governments and media sources. 15 April was the birthday of Kim Il-sung, and Kim Jong-un was absent from festivities in Pyong-yang.

And there is speculation about who will assume power in his absence.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/with-...n-focus-shifts-to-powerful-sister-kim-yo-jong

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/26/asia/kim-jong-un-north-korea-health-intl/index.html

(CBC)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-kim...rth-korea-watchers-advise-caution-11587918517 (WSJ - subscription required)

(NY Times)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisett...s-kim-jong-un-is-alive-and-well/#30e3823a3475
 
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From Fox News Story:
"Our government position is firm," Chung-in Moon, foreign policy adviser to South Korean President Moon Jae-in, told Fox News. "Kim Jong Un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspicious movements have so far been detected."

Apparently, one way to track Kim is to follow his train.
 
It goes without saying - but I'll say it: In a situation where there is an unexpected succession from "Dictator A" to "Dictator B", there is commonly a strong motivation by "Dictator B" to preserve "A"s office while "B" cements their own position of power. "A"s office can be preserved by deception or extreme medical measures.

That said, Reuters is speculating (on credible grounds) that this may be Kim's way of staying clear of COVID-19: Kim's Absence

An authoritative source familiar with U.S. intelligence assessments said credible reports to the U.S government suggested the reason Kim’s presidential train had been spotted near a presidential retreat at the resort of Wonsan last week was that Kim had been staying there to avoid catching the virus.

U.S. government experts lacked categorical evidence to prove this, but were for the most part dismissing media reports suggesting that Kim had contracted some kind of serious illness, the source said.

Kim Yeon-chul described reports that Kim had undergone a heart procedure, and that a Chinese medical team had traveled to North Korea, as “fake news.”

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Washington’s view was largely in line with the South Korean minister’s assessment.

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he has a good idea of how Kim Jong Un is doing and hopes he is fine, but would not elaborate.

On Tuesday, Trump was asked by a reporter about these comments and whether he thought Kim was still in control of North Korea and replied: “I don’t want to comment on it. I just wish him well.”
 
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Notice to keep this thread as free of politics and anything toxic as possible. Stick to the neutral facts!
 
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