Where is the best place to work as a Theoretical Physicist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the best places to work as a theoretical physicist, with a specific focus on CERN and alternative options. Participants explore various environments for theoretical physics, including academia and independent research, while addressing the realities of employment in the field.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to work at CERN and questions whether it is the best place for a theoretical physicist, seeking recommendations for alternatives.
  • Another participant argues that working independently at home can provide true scientific independence, allowing for personal approaches without following trends.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that most theoretical particle physicists are employed at universities, as there are more university positions than opportunities at CERN.
  • One participant emphasizes the practical reality that the best place to work is often determined by where one can secure a job, rather than personal preference.
  • A later reply challenges the notion of "Theoretical Physicist" as a distinct category, stating that many physicists, including theorists, do not work directly in fields associated with CERN and that many involved with CERN are not primarily focused on particle physics.
  • Another participant highlights the misconception that those who appear to work at CERN are employed by it, noting that many are affiliated with other universities or research labs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best working environment for theoretical physicists, with no consensus on whether CERN is the optimal choice. There are multiple competing perspectives regarding employment in academia versus independent research.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of individual goals and skills in determining the best place to work, suggesting that the question of location may depend on personal circumstances and aspirations.

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Hello. I'm finishing my last year of school and I have wanted to become a Theoretical Physicist at CERN for 2 years, so I want to get a PhD degree. Knowing that people at CERN speak both english and french, I decided to study Physics in Paris (bachelor-french, masters-english), but is it CERN really the best place to work as a Theoretical Physicist, or is it a good one? If not what would you recommend to me?
 
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I think the best place for a theoretical physicist is to work at home as an independent scientist - if you can afford this.

This gives you true independence as a scientist, thus, you do not have to follow the actual fashion, but can develop your own approach.
 
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I'm pretty sure that most theoretical particle physicists work at universities, simply because there are far more universities that do particle-physics research than there are places like CERN.

Most people working on experiments at CERN are actually professors, post-docs and graduate students from the universities that collaborate on the experiments. They visit CERN to help build the apparatus and then run it while the experiment is in progress.
 
As a practical matter, the best place to work is the place that will hire you. Very, very few theorists can look around and say "there - I believe I shall work there".
 
Jozefina said:
Hello. I'm finishing my last year of school and I have wanted to become a Theoretical Physicist at CERN for 2 years, so I want to get a PhD degree. Knowing that people at CERN speak both english and french, I decided to study Physics in Paris (bachelor-french, masters-english), but is it CERN really the best place to work as a Theoretical Physicist, or is it a good one? If not what would you recommend to me?

There's a lot of myth here. You'll be very surprised that most of the people that appear to "work" at CERN are actually NOT EMPLOYED by CERN. Don't believe me? Look at one of the papers that came out of the LHC. You will see that the MAJORITY of the authors on such papers are employed by other research labs or, more importantly, employed by various different universities!

Facilities such as LHC, the Tevatron, various light sources, various neutron sources, etc.. etc. may reside in certain locations or laboratories, but these are all, to put it crudely, "users facilities"! Users from other parts of the country or the world come here to either collaborate, or do their research. This is even true for institutions such as NASA, where other laboratories and universities either get research grant money, collaborate, or work with NASA, but they are not employed by NASA.

So just because you hear so-and-so works at CERN, or such-and-such a facility is at CERN, it doesn't mean that that person is employed by CERN!

Zz.
 
OP, I'd also like to take this opportunity to take offense with the term "Theoretical Physicist". First, it is not supposed to be capitalized. There is no special brand of physicists which are "Theoretical Physicists", there are only physicists who work primarily with theoretical methods. Second, only a minority of physicists (including theorists) work in fields which are associated with the work done at CERN or similar labs. And of the physicists who actually work there, a large fraction is *not* primarily concerned with the actual particle physics, but rather with the design and running of the beamlines, detectors, data analysis, etc.

As long as you cannot provide some concrete motives of what you actually want to achieve, and what skills you can bring to the table, the question of *where* to go is at best secondary.
 

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