Where Is the Box We Need to Think Outside Of?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "thinking outside the box," exploring its meaning, implications, and the contexts in which it is applied. Participants examine the constraints and assumptions that define the "box," as well as the potential benefits and drawbacks of this mindset in various fields, including management, science, and problem-solving scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that "thinking outside the box" is often just management jargon, questioning its seriousness and applicability.
  • Others argue that defining the "box" involves recognizing the constraints and assumptions that limit problem-solving, and that expanding this domain can lead to more innovative solutions.
  • A participant provides an example involving a landscaper and the billing of trees, illustrating how assumptions can lead to confusion and miscommunication.
  • There are differing views on what constitutes "thinking inside the box," with some suggesting it involves a lack of a full picture or understanding of the problem context.
  • One participant discusses the historical context of the phrase, linking it to a 1914 puzzle about connecting dots, suggesting it emphasizes the need for creative thinking.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences with crossword puzzles, arguing that being open to different interpretations is crucial for problem-solving.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the phrase, suggesting it is often used by those who lack genuine understanding or capability.
  • There is a discussion about the subjective nature of the term and how it can vary significantly across different fields, such as advertising and science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value or meaning of "thinking outside the box." Multiple competing views remain, with some defending its usefulness while others dismiss it as meaningless jargon.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity surrounding the term "box," noting that its definition can vary based on context, assumptions, and the specific problem being addressed. There are unresolved nuances regarding the implications of thinking inside versus outside the box.

  • #31
houlahound said:
I am old enough to know two main management trends - the old style that started on the factory floor and worked every job on the way up to CEO and the new guy that did a degree in management theory and believes management is a set of generic academic principles that can be learned and applied to any workplace context without any specific knowledge of the industry.
I am not sure how the history and circumstances of a manager's life path will inform this topic.

In the software industry, there are many problems to be solved to create a product. Often the problems have no clear solution, and the obvious soluions might be blocked by factors outside one's control. That does not mean there aren't solutions - one just needs to ... think outside the box.

I'll argue that what you're complaining about is that sometimes some managers use it in the wrong place at the wrong time, (such as before the problem and desired outcome is defined.) as a hand-waving "do your creative thing."

TOtB is a perfectly valid tool when in the right circumstances. It is not apppropriate in other circumstances.

To cast aspersions upon the tool itself is like complaining that hammers are dumb because a manager has put you at the foot of a live tree and told you to build a house.I'd suggest that the thread topic be changed to: managers can be dumb.
 
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  • #32
I'm closing the thread, there is just no point to it as a forum discussion.
 

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