Where Should the Pivot Be Placed to Balance a See-Saw?

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate pivot point for balancing a see-saw with two individuals of differing weights positioned at specified distances from the edges. The context includes torque calculations and the physical principles of balance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque for both sides of the see-saw and question the assumptions regarding the distances of the individuals from the pivot point. There is a suggestion to simplify the terminology used in the torque calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the torque calculations and questioning the setup of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the terminology and the importance of visual aids in understanding the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the distances from the pivot point, particularly concerning the original poster's assumptions about the positions of the individuals on the see-saw.

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Homework Statement
If Sara (100kg) and Jim (200kg) are 1m from the edge of opposite sides of a 13m long, 100kg see-saw, where does the pivot point need to be in order to balance the see-saw?
Relevant Equations
Ts=Tj
Torque_left = 100 kg * 1 m = 100 kg·m
Torque_right = 200 kg * (13 - x) m = 200(13 - x) kg·m
100 kg·m = 200(13 - x) kg·m
100 = 200(13 - x)
x = 12.5 meters

pivot = 12.5 m
 
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panda02 said:
Homework Statement: If Sara (100kg) and Jim (200kg) are 1m from the edge of opposite sides of a 13m long, 100kg see-saw, where does the pivot point need to be in order to balance the see-saw?
Relevant Equations: Ts=Tj

Torque_left = 100 kg * 1 m
It should be 100 kg times the distance from the pivot point, but 1 m is the distance from the edge.
 
Please make the title of your thread more informative. We already know that it is in the Homework Help forum.
 
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Hill said:
Please make the title of your thread more informative. We already know that it is in the Homework Help forum.
Looks like the OP has fixed it up a little now. Thanks.
 
panda02 said:
Homework Statement: If Sara (100kg) and Jim (200kg) are 1m from the edge of opposite sides of a 13m long, 100kg see-saw, where does the pivot point need to be in order to balance the see-saw?
Relevant Equations: Ts=Tj

Torque_left = 100 kg * 1 m = 100 kg·m
How do you know that Sara is 1 m away from the pivot point?
 
panda02 said:
Homework Statement: If Sara (100kg) and Jim (200kg) are 1m from the edge of opposite sides of a 13m long, 100kg see-saw, where does the pivot point need to be in order to balance the see-saw?
Relevant Equations: Ts=Tj

Torque_left = 100 kg * 1 m = 100 kg·m
Torque_right = 200 kg * (13 - x) m = 200(13 - x) kg·m
100 kg·m = 200(13 - x) kg·m
100 = 200(13 - x)
x = 12.5 meters

pivot = 12.5 m
Hello @panda02 ,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

hehe, at least this thread got out of the starting block.

I advise you to stop using torque_left and _right. Just torque and a position for the axis of rotation..

Torque contributions are positive if going counterclockwise, negative if clockwise.

And a picture ! (edit: updated pic)
1698072687329.png

Force balance: The support has to compensate 400 g
Torque:
If we choose the left end of the board as axis of rotation, we have
from Sara ##\ \ -## 100 g x 1 m
from the board weight ##\ \ -## 100 g x 6.5 m
from Jim ##\ \ -## 200 g x 12 m
and from the supporting pivot point ##\ \ +## 400 g x X m

with X the distance from the left end of the board to the pivot point.

##\ ##
 

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