Where to place a weight on a bar so that the net torque is 0

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a uniform bar with two attached weights, where the goal is to determine the position of a fulcrum that allows the system to balance horizontally. The subject area includes concepts of torque and center of mass in static equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the placement of weights and the pivot point. There is confusion regarding whether to include the weight of the bar in the torque calculations and how to properly define the center of mass for the system.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the pivot point and the placement of weights. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the center of mass, and attempts to set up torque equations are being shared.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the weights are fixed at the ends of the bar, and there is a lack of clarity regarding the exact positioning of the fulcrum. The original poster expresses confusion about the setup and the implications of including the bar's weight in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 0.100-kg, 59.9-cm-long uniform bar has a small 0.055-kg mass glued to its left end and a small 0.100-kgmass glued to the other end. You want to balance this system horizontally on a fulcrum placed just under its center of gravity.

no diagram given

Homework Equations


Στ = 0 N*m
τ=F×d

The Attempt at a Solution


Massbar=.100 kg
L=0.599m
m1=0.055kg
m2=0.100kg

I am confused about how to set up my diagram. I have made a bar. The only forces acting on the bar are the two weights from the two masses.

I didn't include the weight of the bar itself because since its uniform I wanted to make the center the pivot axis.

SO my torque equation looks like this:
Στ=0=-m1g(d`) + m2g(d2)

the first torque is negative because it is going in the clockwise direction.

But from this equation i can get infinite many distances depending on what d2 is.
 
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What are the rules/restrictions for this problem? Are either weights' location predetermined?
 
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fishturtle1 said:
I didn't include the weight of the bar itself because since its uniform I wanted to make the center the pivot axis.
There's your mistake. It's not the CoM of the bar where you will pivot, it's to be the CoM of the assembly.
 
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TJGilb said:
What are the rules/restrictions for this problem? Are either weights' location predetermined?
the 0.05 kg mass is said to be on the left end, the 0.10 kg mass is said to be on the right end. That is all that is specified. And I assume they do not mean at the very end otherwise the bar would be in motion.
 
fishturtle1 said:
the 0.05 kg mass is said to be on the left end, the 0.10 kg mass is said to be on the right end. That is all that is specified. And I assume they do not mean at the very end otherwise the bar would be in motion.
I think they mean that the weights are indeed affixed to the very ends of the bar. Your job is to locate the fulcrum so that the system balances horizontally.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
There's your mistake. It's not the CoM of the bar where you will pivot, it's to be the CoM of the assembly.

Ok so then I have another force that is the weight of the bar, which is at d=0.295m.
gneill said:
I think they mean that the weights are indeed affixed to the very ends of the bar. Your job is to locate the fulcrum so that the system balances horizontally.
Ok using this information and the previous post this is what I did.

Στ=0=0.05gd+0.10g(d-0.295)-0.10g(0.599-d)

rearranging I got to

0.15d - 0.0295 = -0.10d + 0.0599
0.25d = 0.0894
d = 0.3576 =35.8 cm

which my online homework took as the correct answer even though it said exact answer was 35.2 cm.

Thank you for your guidance on clearing up my confusion.
 

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