Where Should You Explore Next for a Mobile Lifestyle?

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The discussion revolves around exploring options for a mobile lifestyle, particularly focusing on potential cities or countries to live in. Participants share insights on cultural immersion, language barriers, and personal experiences related to living abroad.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to explore different cities or countries to learn more about themselves, seeking suggestions for locations that prioritize culture and community over employment.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of language proficiency, suggesting that living in countries like Italy or Spain without fluency could lead to frustration.
  • Some participants note that while English may be widely spoken in certain countries, such as the Netherlands, it can still be challenging for foreigners to learn the local language, and immersion can be beneficial.
  • Experiences are shared regarding individuals who have lived in the Netherlands for years without learning Dutch, contrasting with those who have successfully become fluent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of language in the context of living abroad, but there are differing views on the extent to which English proficiency affects the experience of living in non-English speaking countries.

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Some assumptions about language learning and cultural immersion are present, but specific limitations or conditions regarding individual experiences are not fully explored.

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I'm fresh out of school, and I don't know where to go. All I know is I don't want to stay where I am now (California). I don't know what I'm looking for--maybe I just want to learn more about myself.

I've been playing the idea of visiting different cities/countries long enough to get a feel of them. Does anyone have any suggestions and/or advice on pursuing this? Does anyone here live a mobile life, by today's standards?

Money/employment is an important factor, but pretend it isn't. Pretend that the culture and spirit of a place and its people are all that matters. Where would you live?

Thanks and thanks!
 
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There's the language issue to consider first and foremost. If you're not already fluent in some foreign language, trying to live in Italy or Spain, for example, would be an excursion in frustration until such time as you got up to speed.
 
zoobyshoe said:
There's the language issue to consider first and foremost. If you're not already fluent in some foreign language, trying to live in Italy or Spain, for example, would be an excursion in frustration until such time as you got up to speed.
Depends on the location in the country, he'll need to make sure that the institute is international and the working language is English. Indeed, it can be tough to be in Italy, Spain, France, Germany and not speak the local language (don't expect the general population to speak English), but it is a great opportunity for immersive learning. I know plenty of foreigners who work in the Netherlands and after years can't speak Dutch, because everyone is fluent in English.
 
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Depends on the location in the country, he'll need to make sure that the institute is international and the working language is English. Indeed, it can be tough to be in Italy, Spain, France, Germany and not speak the local language (don't expect the general population to speak English), but it is a great opportunity for immersive learning. I know plenty of foreigners who work in the Netherlands and after years can't speak Dutch, because everyone is fluent in English.

I know of 3 professors that succeeded in learning/becoming fluent in Dutch/flemish.
2 of them are German so they got a head start, I'd say. The other is Italian.
Then there is a Russian lecturer that seems to know some words like "happy birthday" and the like.

So I must agree with you.
 
Yes, the Germans have a head start at Dutch. I know two Germans who speak Dutch so fluently and without accent that I always forget they are German :) Two others don't speak Dutch at all after many years at the Department. I had a downstair neighbor who was working in Amsterdam for 10 years, who was only speaking English. He always complained that whenever he tried to speak Dutch, everyone would respond back in English.
 

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