Which Beam Cross-Section is Most Weight-Efficient?

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The discussion revolves around determining the most weight-efficient beam cross-section among a circular, square, and rectangular shape, given that they share the same length, allowable stress, and bending moment. Participants explore the geometric properties and relationships necessary to analyze the problem, focusing on concepts such as section modulus and area.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the need to understand geometric properties like area and moment of inertia for each cross-section to approach the problem effectively.
  • One participant notes that the mass of the beams depends on the area of the section, given that length and density are constant across all beams.
  • Another participant provides the universal bending equation and section modulus formulas for circular, rectangular, and square sections, suggesting that since the bending moment and allowable stress are the same, the section modulus must also be equal.
  • A participant proposes setting the section modulus equations equal to each other to derive relationships between the dimensions of the different cross-sections.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about establishing a relationship between section modulus and mass, indicating a need for further assistance in this area.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of section modulus and area in determining weight efficiency, but there is no consensus on the final relationships or solutions to the problem. Multiple approaches and interpretations of the problem remain present.

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Limitations include the lack of specific numerical values for dimensions and density, as well as the assumption that all beams are subjected to the same bending moment and allowable stress without further details provided.

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Mechanics of solids prob. help!

here is a prob. i have.anybody help.
Three beams have the same length, the same allowable stress and the same B.M. The cross section of the beams are a circle, a square, and a rectangle with depth twice the width. weight wise best section in order of merit will be...??(arrange in increasing order pls)

pls tell the method by which u solve the prob.
 
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rahshail said:
here is a prob. i have.anybody help.
Three beams have the same length, the same allowable stress and the same B.M. The cross section of the beams are a circle, a square, and a rectangle with depth twice the width. weight wise best section in order of merit will be...??(arrange in increasing order pls)

pls tell the method by which u solve the prob.
You should please show at least some effort as to how you would approach the problem. What do you know about the geometric properties (area, moment of inertia, etc.) of each given cross section?
 


Actually i have got this problem while m studying a book. i have written the problem here as it was in the book. so please try to boggle ur mind on the prob. as it is written here. i have no additional details on it. however i myself don't think it requires any further details. we can use bending equation and formulae for bending and section modulus. please try.
 


rahshail said:
Actually i have got this problem while m studying a book. i have written the problem here as it was in the book. so please try to boggle ur mind on the prob. as it is written here. i have no additional details on it. however i myself don't think it requires any further details. we can use bending equation and formulae for bending and section modulus. please try.
Yes, the section modulus (and area) of each shape is very important to know in this problem, but the burden is on YOU to try, not me or any other responders. If you would please show your attempt at how your knowledge of Section Modulus can be used to solve this problem, then, and only then, can we be of further assistance. Please show some effort at an approach to the solution, however minimal it might be. Peace.
 


OK fine. Here is what i have tried.

from universal bending equation, fs= M * Z
where M= bending momet
Z= section modulus
f= allowable stress
Now if M and f are same for the all three sections then Z will also same.
For circular section Z= (π/32)d3 d--> diameter of section
For rectangular section Z= bd3/12 b-->width and d-->depth of section
For square section same as rectangular but here b=d


mass= Volume * density
= area of section * length * density
and length 'l' and density same for all beams so mass will depend upon area of section only.

now we need to solve by these two facts: 1. section modulus same
2. mass dependent on area of section
here i am unable to establis the relation between these two. now further help needed in this
 
rahshail: Bending stress is f = M/Z. Elastic section modulus is Zcircle = pi*(d^3)/32, Zrect = b*(h^2)/6, and Zsquare = (a^3)/6. You correctly stated that Z is the same for all three beams. Also, b = 0.5*h. Therefore, set Zcircle = Zrect, and solve for d in terms of h. Also, set Zsquare = Zrect, and solve for "a" in terms of h. Now compute cross-sectional area, Acircle, Arect, and Asquare, in terms of h. Now arbitrarily let h = 2^0.5, to see which beam is more efficient.
 

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