Which Has A Stronger Gravitational Pull - A Black Hole or Neutron Star?

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The discussion centers on the comparison of gravitational pull between black holes and neutron stars, exploring the factors that influence gravitational strength, such as mass and distance. Participants examine theoretical implications and physical properties related to gravity in these dense astronomical objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the strength of gravitational pull is established or dependent on the size of the black hole.
  • One participant asserts that black holes exhibit the greatest gravitational force, curving spacetime to such an extent that not even light can escape.
  • Another participant elaborates that light can be bent around a black hole, a phenomenon not possible with a neutron star.
  • It is noted that the strength of a gravitational field is determined by mass and distance from the center of gravity, with compact objects like black holes and neutron stars exhibiting noticeable effects on light due to their density.
  • Some argue that if a black hole and a neutron star had the same mass, the gravitational force experienced at a fixed distance would be identical for both, suggesting that mass is the sole determinant at that distance.
  • One participant discusses the exterior solutions of Einstein's field equations, indicating that the gravitational effects are similar for both black holes and neutron stars, with the primary difference being the mass of the central object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational strength between black holes and neutron stars, with no consensus reached on which has a stronger gravitational pull. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mass and distance on gravitational force.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of mass and distance in determining gravitational strength, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of how these factors interact in the context of black holes and neutron stars.

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Is this established or is it dependent on the size of the black hole?

http://www.space.com/22180-neutron-stars.html

Neutron stars pack their mass inside a 20-kilometer (12.4 miles) diameter. They are so dense that a single teaspoon would weigh a billion tons — assuming you somehow managed to snag a sample without being captured by the body's strong gravitational pull. On average, gravity on a neutron star is 2 billion times stronger than gravity on Earth. In fact, it's strong enough to significantly bend radiation from the star in a process known as gravitational lensing, allowing astronomers to see some of the back side of the star.


How does that compare to a black hole's gravity?
 
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Its certainly the g-force of black hole that the greatest. In the words of Relativity, black hole not only curve the space-time like other celestial bodies(like neutron star) but also curve it so enormously the not even light could escape from it.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
Its certainly the g-force of black hole that the greatest. In the words of Relativity, black hole not only curve the space-time like other celestial bodies(like neutron star) but also curve it so enormously the not even light could escape from it.

Further to that, if you would aim a ray of light accurately enough towards a black hole, it can bend the ray so severely that it circles around the hole and comes back to you. A neutron star cannot do that.
 
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The strength of a gravitational field is determined solely by mass and distance from the center of gravity of an object. Oddities like the bending of light are only noticeable for compact [dense] objects. In such cases a light beam can pass close enough to encounter a region of severely curved spacetime. This does not happen for a normal density object. A light beam runs into the surface before it enters a region of severe curvature. The density of a black hole is so high it has a diameter of virtually zero, whereas a neutron star diameter is a little over a dozen kilometers. The diameter of an ordinary star is many thousands of kilometers.
 
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Chronos said:
The strength of a gravitational field is determined solely by mass and distance from the center of gravity of an object.
Furthermore, at a fixed distance, the strength of the gravitational field is dependent ONLY on the mass.

i.e. if you had a black hole and a neutron star and a normal star that (somehow) all massed the same, the g-force at distance X from the centre of the mass would be identical in all three cases. If you were at a million clicks distance, and your spaceship had no windows, you would have a tough time telling which of the three you were orbiting.

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The exterior solution of the Einstein's field equations are isomorphic in the two cases. Whether its a star, or a black hole, the metric and hence the 'force' or deflection of light rays is the same.

The only difference is that in the case of a stellar black hole, the actual mass of the central object is slightly greater than that of a Neutron star (its something like 3 stellar masses for a Neutron star, and greater than 4 stellar masses for a black hole). Of course you could imagine an eternal black hole with the same mass.
 

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