Which has the most intense sunlight hitting it?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining which location experiences the most intense sunlight at specific times: a point on the Equator at sunset, the North Pole at noon on the Summer Solstice, Montreal at noon on the Spring Equinox, and the South Pole during the Northern Hemisphere's Summer Solstice. The context includes reasoning about sunlight intensity without numerical calculations.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants ruled out the Equator at sunset and the South Pole on the Summer Solstice due to their respective positions and expected sunlight intensity.
  • There is a focus on comparing the North Pole at noon on the Summer Solstice and Montreal at noon on the Spring Equinox, with participants expressing uncertainty about which has more intense sunlight.
  • Some participants argue that understanding the angle of incident rays is crucial for determining sunlight intensity, suggesting that the North Pole may have a more favorable angle at noon during the Summer Solstice.
  • Others emphasize that the question should be approached without numerical intensity calculations, raising concerns about how to choose between the two locations based on reasoning alone.
  • Participants discuss the angles of sunlight at both locations, with one participant calculating angles for the North Pole and Montreal, suggesting that the North Pole has a lower angle of sunlight compared to Montreal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the problem, with some advocating for numerical analysis while others prefer reasoning based on angles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which location has the most intense sunlight.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of angles in determining sunlight intensity, but there is no consensus on how to evaluate the problem without numerical intensity values.

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Homework Statement


Which has the most intense sunlight hitting it?Question 2 options:
A point on the Equator at sunset

The North Pole at Noon on the Summer Solstace

Montreal at Noon on the Spring Equinox

The South Pole on the (Northern hemisphere) Summer Solstace

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Ruled out first choice as it is at sunset.
Ruled out last choice as the South Pole does not receive much sunlight on the Summer Solstice
Stuck between choice 2 and 3.[/B]
 
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shmijda said:
Stuck between choice 2 and 3.
What do you know about choices 2 & 3?
 
shmijda said:

Homework Equations


none

That's where you went wrong. Intensity can be described numerically, and then applying what you know about the Sun position in each case is a key to the correct answer.
 
Borek said:
That's where you went wrong. Intensity can be described numerically, and then applying what you know about the Sun position in each case is a key to the correct answer.
We were supposed to do this without looking at the intensity numerically, so how do I choose between 2 and 3?
 
How far above the ecliptic plane are the two locations at the times of the year stated in the question?
 
shmijda said:
We were supposed to do this without looking at the intensity numerically

You can't answer the question without comparing angles. Angles are numbers.
 
shmijda said:
We were supposed to do this without looking at the intensity numerically, so how do I choose between 2 and 3?
You don't need to calculate the intensities, but you can reason mathematically which situation results in more intense sunlight. What determines how intense the sunlight is at noon?
 
vela said:
You don't need to calculate the intensities, but you can reason mathematically which situation results in more intense sunlight. What determines how intense the sunlight is at noon?
The angle of incident rays? In this case I would say the north pole at noon
 
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shmijda said:
The angle of incident rays? In this case I would say the north pole at noon
Are you just guessing? What's the angle between the incident rays and the normal at the North Pole on the summer solstice? You should be able to figure this out knowing the tilt of the Earth and the fact that the North Pole is at 90 degrees latitude.

What about for Montreal on the vernal equinox? If your answer is right, the Sun should be lower in the sky than it was for the North Pole on the summer solstice. Can you justify that?
 
  • #11
for north pole on summer solstice - I got angle 66.6
for montreal on equinox - angle 45.5
 
  • #12
Those look reasonable, so the Sun is lower in the sky in...
 
  • #13
vela said:
Those look reasonable, so the Sun is lower in the sky in...
Montreal, thus North pole at noon on summer solstice is right?
 
  • #14
Those angles are between the incident ray and the normal. Zero degrees would correspond to the Sun being directly overhead, and 90 degrees would be if the Sun were on the horizon.
 

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