Which liquid would be the best to swim up in?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of swimming to the surface of 20 feet of either alcohol or honey. Participants explore the implications of density and viscosity in both scenarios, considering the challenges and potential outcomes of attempting to swim in these liquids.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that swimming in alcohol is nearly impossible due to its low density, while honey's high viscosity presents its own challenges.
  • Questions arise regarding the type of alcohol being considered, with mentions of ethanol and methanol.
  • One participant argues that while swimming in honey would be difficult, one might float with less effort, assuming they are not crushed by its density.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about surviving in either liquid, noting that human density is similar to water and that one would struggle to reach the surface in honey.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of inhaling alcohol and the potential for severe pain upon submersion.
  • Viscosity of honey is discussed, with references to its significant thickness compared to water, leading to speculation about the energy required to swim through it.
  • Some participants reference external sources and studies, including a mention of Mythbusters exploring similar scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which liquid would be better for swimming. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the effects of density and viscosity, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific types of alcohol and the conditions under which viscosity measurements are taken. The assumptions about human buoyancy and the effects of the liquids on the body are also not fully explored.

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A friend and I were debating this.

Would you be better trying to swim to the surface of 20 feet of alcohol or 20 feet of honey.

We can figure out that swimming out of alcohol is rather hopeless due to density but for honey we have no way to consider the viscosity of the liquid. Any thoughts?
 
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cubby208 said:
A friend and I were debating this.

Would you be better trying to swim to the surface of 20 feet of alcohol or 20 feet of honey.

We can figure out that swimming out of alcohol is rather hopeless due to density but for honey we have no way to consider the viscosity of the liquid. Any thoughts?
What the heck are you asking about?

Viscosity of alcohol (which version?) is close to water. Why would it be hard to swim to the surface?
 
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What type of alcohol? Ethanol? Methanol? More details needed
 
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The alcohol is on fire?
 
You wouldn't be able to swim very well in honey, but you'd float with little effort. So assuming 20ft of honey didn't crush you first, you'd float to the top without trying very hard.

Alcholol would get absorbed too easily, so while you could swim, you probably wouldn't be conscious very long.
 
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If I understand the question properly, in both cases you start 20 ft below the surface?

I see no way of surviving in neither case. Our density is very similar to water, so with full lungs we in fact float near the surface, there is no need for a substantial effort to keep us there (most of the struggle is to keep head high enough for breathing). In ethanol - because of a low density - you will sink to the bottom, it would be like trying to swim in water with a 20 kg stone attached. In honey you won't get to the surface fast enough to survive (although after some time your body will be much easier to collect, as it will reach the surface on its own).
 
Evidently the alcohol end of this question is one that fascinates many, since Googling unEarth's a rich lode of hits. The OP has already been given some particularly macabre answers; here's a link to more:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...jumped-in-a-pool-full-of-alcohol-8940636.html

The scenario envisioned in the above link is a tiny bit different - "what happens if I jump into a swimming pool full of hard alcohol" - but the results are deemed to just as unpleasantly fatal. E.g.:

"As you are in the air, you will likely begin to feel the effects of alcohol inhalation. Enjoy the few fractions of a second of buzz – things are about to get bad. As you hit, you'll get a preview of what you're in for. Small cuts on your feet and legs will sting, and maybe your skin will start to chill and feel like you just suddenly did the reverse of moisturising.

"Then the real pain will start – as you hit the first sensitive parts of your body, where live cells are exposed, or where the skin is thinner and nerves are clustered. As your sexual organs and anus submerge you will feel pain like the wrong end of the nastiest bowl of Texas chilli you ever imagined."
 
But you might be OK with wine . . .

 
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The Mythbusters explored what happens when swimming in liquids much denser than water.
 
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Honey is 1.42 times as dense as water, but 10,000 times as viscous. I think it would take far too much energy to move 20ft through it in the time you could hold your breath.
 
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dipole said:
Honey is 1.42 times as dense as water, but 10,000 times as viscous.

That seems a bit high, what tempature are you looking at?
 
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Student100 said:
That seems a bit high, what tempature are you looking at?

http://www.vp-scientific.com/Viscosity_Tables.htm

Another source quotes it as being 2000-3000 cps, and water at 1-5 cps. Still, it's many times more viscous than it is dense - so the added buoyancy doesn’t seem like it will offset the viscosity that much.
 

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