Which of the following are Hausdorff?

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The discussion revolves around determining which of several given topologies are Hausdorff. The original poster presents a set of topologies and references the definition of a Hausdorff space, expressing uncertainty about their properties in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the topologies by considering the intersection of neighborhoods and whether they are empty. Some participants suggest that the reasoning should be articulated more formally, particularly in symbolic terms, to clarify why certain topologies are not Hausdorff.

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Participants are engaging with the definitions and properties of Hausdorff spaces, with some guidance offered on how to structure the reasoning. There is a recognition of the complexity of topology as a subject, and multiple interpretations of the properties of the topologies are being explored.

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The original poster notes that topology is a new subject for them, indicating a potential lack of familiarity with the terminology and concepts involved. There is also a suggestion to prove a related property about finite spaces being Hausdorff if and only if they are discrete, which may introduce additional considerations into the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Which of the following topologies are Hausdorff (if any)?

{∅, {a,b} }

{∅, {a}, {a,b} }

{∅, {b}, {a,b} }

{∅, {a}, {b}, {a,b} }

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Definitions:

A neighbourhood U of x is an open set U⊂X such that xϵU

A topological space is Hausdorff if for each pair x, y of distinct points in X there exist neighbourhoods U of x and V of y which are disjoint.

The Attempt at a Solution

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Another description I've seen for the Hausdorff property is that for some two subsets U and V in X, the intersection of U and V is the empty set.

Looking at the given topologies, it seems that only the last one is Hausdorff. One can take {a} and {b} and see that their intersection is ∅. .

Hoping I'm correct with this? I just wanted to put it by the physics forum crowd because topology is a new and potentially worrying subject I've taken on at university, with a lot of new definitions and terminology being thrown around at quite a fast pace!

Thanks :oldsmile:
 
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You are on the right track, but it might help to write out your reasoning. i.e. If you believe the first 3 are not Hausdorff, you should be able to say why, in symbols. You can use you "other description" to do so. i.e. Why (in symbols) do you believe the first isn't Hausdorff? Prove it!
 
And yes topology definitions are going to come at you hard and fast.
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dkotschessaa said:
You are on the right track, but it might help to write out your reasoning. i.e. If you believe the first 3 are not Hausdorff, you should be able to say why, in symbols. You can use you "other description" to do so. i.e. Why (in symbols) do you believe the first isn't Hausdorff? Prove it!

Alright, I'd say for the topologies ##\tau_n ## in the above question statement,
for ##n=[1,3] ## and taking any ##U, V \subset \tau## where ##U \not= V## and ##U, V \not= \emptyset##,
##U \cap V \not= \emptyset## for all ## U, V##, hence ##\tau_1, \tau_2, \tau_3## are not Hausorff

whereas for ##\tau_4## there exists ## U, V \subset \tau## such that ##U \cap V = \emptyset##, hence ##\tau_4## is Hausdorff.
 
Try to prove that a finite space is Hausdorff if and only if it is discrete. That's a fun exercise.
 

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