Which of these logarithms has the biggest value?

Mark44 for your time.In summary, the conversation discusses finding the order of numbers using logarithm properties without using a calculator. The suggestion of using the function ##f(x)=\log_x(x+1)## as a decreasing function is proposed as a possible solution.
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Homework Statement
Which one is the biggest?
a. ##\log_{2015}2016##
b. ##\log_{2016}2017##
c. ##\log_{2017}2018##
d. ##\log_{2018}2019##
e. ##\log_{2019}2020##
Relevant Equations
Logarithm properties
Is there any way to answer the question without just calculating it using calculator, maybe manipulating the number using logarithm properties?

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Can you see which one must be largest? You could prove it use log identities.
 
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PeroK said:
Can you see which one must be largest? You could prove it use log identities.
I can't, without using calculator

##\log_{2015}2016=\frac{\log 2016}{\log 2015}##

##\log_{2016}2017=\frac{\log 2017}{\log 2016}##

##\log_{2017}2018=\frac{\log 2018}{\log 2017}##

##\log_{2018}2019=\frac{\log 2019}{\log 2018}##

##\log_{2019}2020=\frac{\log 2020}{\log 2019}##

From option (a) to (e), both numerator and numerators become larger so I don't know about their ratio.Trying to change it into index form:
##\log_{2015}2016=a \rightarrow 2016 = 2015^{a}##

##\log_{2016}2017=b \rightarrow 2017 = 2016^{b}##

##\log_{2017}2018=c \rightarrow 2018 = 2017^{c}##

##\log_{2018}2019=d \rightarrow 2019 = 2018^{d}##

##\log_{2019}2020=e \rightarrow 2020 = 2019^{e}##

What logarithm properties do I need to use to find the order of the number?

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songoku said:
I can't, without using calculator

##\log_{2015}2016=\frac{\log 2016}{\log 2015}##

##\log_{2016}2017=\frac{\log 2017}{\log 2016}##

##\log_{2017}2018=\frac{\log 2018}{\log 2017}##

##\log_{2018}2019=\frac{\log 2019}{\log 2018}##

##\log_{2019}2020=\frac{\log 2020}{\log 2019}##

From option (a) to (e), both numerator and numerators become larger so I don't know about their ratio.
What about letting ##f(x) = \log_{x}(x+1) = \frac{\log (x+1)}{\log x}## and showing that ##f(x)## is a decreasing function?
 
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PeroK said:
What about letting ##f(x) = \log_{x}(x+1) = \frac{\log (x+1)}{\log x}## and showing that ##f(x) is a decreasing function?
This is brilliant (I will never be able to think towards this direction).

Thank you very much PeroK
 

1. What is a logarithm?

A logarithm is the inverse function of exponentiation. It is used to solve equations involving exponential functions and to compare the relative sizes of large numbers.

2. How do you determine which logarithm has the biggest value?

The value of a logarithm is determined by its base and the number inside the logarithm. Generally, the bigger the base and the number inside the logarithm, the bigger the value will be.

3. What are the common bases used in logarithms?

The most common bases used in logarithms are 10, e (Euler's number), and 2. These bases are often used in scientific and mathematical calculations.

4. Can a negative number be used in a logarithm?

No, a negative number cannot be used in a logarithm. The number inside the logarithm must always be positive, otherwise the result would be undefined.

5. How is a logarithm different from a natural logarithm?

A natural logarithm, denoted as ln, uses the base e (Euler's number) instead of 10. It is often used in calculus and mathematical modeling.

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