Which PhD program in Physics is about Bioinformatics

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of Physics students pursuing PhD programs in Bioinformatics, including the necessary prerequisites and alternative pathways into the field. It explores the intersection of physics, biology, and computational skills, as well as the challenges faced by students transitioning into this cross-disciplinary area.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Bioinformatics is typically housed within Biology Departments and may require foundational courses in Biology and Chemistry, which some Physics students may lack.
  • One participant suggests that Physics students possess the necessary math and computer skills to apply for Bioinformatics programs, provided they can learn biological principles.
  • Another participant questions the timing of the original poster's interest in Bioinformatics, suggesting that early awareness of the field would have prompted the necessary preparatory coursework.
  • A participant with professional experience in Bioinformatics indicates that there are alternative routes into the field, such as combining Physics with Computer Science or Statistics, along with self-study in biology.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of transitioning into Bioinformatics solely through self-study, emphasizing the depth of knowledge required in biology compared to the skills typically held by physicists.
  • Some participants argue that while physicists can contribute to Bioinformatics, they may lack the specialized programming and biological knowledge that is increasingly necessary in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the suitability of Physics students for Bioinformatics programs, with some advocating for their capabilities while others highlight significant gaps in knowledge and skills. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best pathways for Physics students to enter the field.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the necessary background for entering Bioinformatics, the variability in program requirements across institutions, and the differing opinions on the adequacy of self-study as preparation for the field.

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Hi, anybody knows any Physics PhD program concentrated in Bioinformatics or any Bioinformatics program which admits Physics students?
Thank you in advance!
 
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Bioinformatics is usually under the Biology Department as a cross-disciplinary degree.

As an example, here's Duke University's summary of the degree:

http://www.genome.duke.edu/CBB/

I think any Physics student could apply without a problem as you have the math and the computer skills (or could learn them easily) and all you need is an understanding of biology principles, DNA...
 
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jedishrfu said:
Bioinformatics is usually under the Biology Department as a cross-disciplinary degree.

As an example, here's Duke University's summary of the degree:

http://www.genome.duke.edu/CBB/

I think any Physics student could apply without a problem as you have the math and the computer skills (or could learn them easily) and all you need is an understanding of biology principles, DNA...

Hi, thank you so much for your kind reply. I just checked its website and it says they require the students to have some course in Biology, Chemistry in college level, but I have none of them. I also contacted some other schools, and they said it's hard for me to get into the funded PhD program. I can apply to the Master's but have to pay for it, but I don't have the money. Do you know any funded programs not hard to get in?
 
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Hi, thank you so much for your kind reply. I just checked its website and it says they require the students to have some course in Biology, Chemistry in college level, but I have none of them. I also contacted some other schools, and they said it's hard for me to get into the funded PhD program. I can apply to the Master's but have to pay for it, but I don't have the money. Do you know any funded programs not hard to get in?

Here's something that puzzles me. Did you come about your desire to specialize in this "bioinformatics" late in your academic life? After all, this is not really an area that is well-known and a popular route among physics degree holders. One would think that if this is something you were aiming for early on, then you would have realized that you would need those bio and chem courses, or at the very least, you would have an innate interest in those courses as electives.

So your school never require even a chemistry class for physics students?

Zz.
 
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Howdy! I worked doing bioinformatics professionally. If you find that you can't get into the field by doing a PhD in a field specifically called bioinformatics, there exist other routes. I came into it from a cross CS/Statistics background. I'm sure you can probably manage your way into it way a Physics/CS ,Physics/Stats, along with some self-studying of some basics biology principles. The techniques you need to handle bioinformatics are essentially the same skills you need to handle big data. Learn one, you essentially prepare yourself for the other.
 
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MarneMath said:
Howdy! I worked doing bioinformatics professionally. If you find that you can't get into the field by doing a PhD in a field specifically called bioinformatics, there exist other routes. I came into it from a cross CS/Statistics background. I'm sure you can probably manage your way into it way a Physics/CS ,Physics/Stats, along with some self-studying of some basics biology principles. The techniques you need to handle bioinformatics are essentially the same skills you need to handle big data. Learn one, you essentially prepare yourself for the other.

Good advice, also there was a book written some time ago with the humorous title of:

Bioinformatics for Dummies

That covered a lot of the tasks and tools needed to work in the Bioinformatics field. It may be dated now since the filed is moving pretty fast these days.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470089857/?tag=pfamazon01-20

and there's a more recent book by Model that's more recent and goes into using Python (some BioInformatics folks still use Perl for many tasks):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/059615450X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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Nowadays you get a MSc in Bioinformatics. Many universities have a department of bioinformatics. Where I study they don't have a BSc of bioinf but they do have a master and a faculty. I do know of other places with a BSc in bioinf though.

So you do an MSc Bioinformatics, then thesis and PhD at that faculty. The field is progressing fast enough and has specialized knowledge and skills more and more that you can't just transition in it from CS or physics by reading a 'for dummies' book.

People here like to say that physicists can do anything. Surely they can do a lot. But physicists aren't mathematicians and they can't program like CS majors and they will generally have no biology credentials whatsoever.

If a biologist remembers hundreds of proteins and their interrelationships during 5 to 6 years of study and 4 years of PhD, and they also have lab skills you may or may not need, you can't just 'learn that as you go along' because you are a physicists.

Also, not all physicists can program. And people that can program aren't valuable. People that program very well are.

Now physicists can work on bioinformatics; as physicists doing physicist things.
 
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