Which Science Underpins All Understanding of the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the question of which scientific field—physics, chemistry, or biology—serves as the most fundamental basis for understanding the universe. Participants explore the interrelations among these disciplines and the role of mathematics and logic in scientific inquiry.

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  • Some participants argue that there is no single "most important field of study," suggesting that it depends on individual interests.
  • Others propose that mathematics is fundamental, serving as a universal language that underpins physics and chemistry.
  • A participant mentions logic as essential for drawing conclusions in mathematics and other sciences that rely on mathematical principles.
  • One participant elaborates that while physics is often seen as the most basic science, it is focused on matter and energy, and that the sciences can be categorized into physical, biological, and behavioral domains.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition and abstraction of mathematics, with some noting that mathematicians often focus on theoretical aspects that may not have practical definitions.
  • Another participant introduces the relationship between computer science and mathematics, questioning whether computer science is a branch of mathematics or technology and its connections to other scientific fields.
  • A later reply discusses the abstract nature of computer science, likening it to the study of Turing machines and suggesting a parallel between branches of computer science and mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on which field is the most fundamental. Multiple competing views remain regarding the importance of mathematics, the categorization of sciences, and the role of computer science.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in defining the relationships among the fields discussed, particularly regarding the abstraction of mathematics and the practical applications of computer science. The discussion reflects varying interpretations and assumptions about the foundational nature of these disciplines.

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As Einstein said; If you want to find out how the universe works, you have to study nature. What subject do you think is the most fundamental for further understanding? I am talking about physics, chemistry or biology. Is it possible to conclude on what's the most important field of knowledge?
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
As Einstein said; If you want to find out how the universe works, you have to study nature. What subject do you think are the most fundamental for further understanding? I am talking about physics, chemistry or biology. Is it possible to conclude on what's the most important field of knowledge?
There IS no "most important field of study". It depends on your interests.
 
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phinds said:
There IS no "most important field of study". It depends on your interests.
Pardon my grammar. If you get me right; of all the knowledge we have up to date is there a field that is recommended to start with to get further understanding of how things work?
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
Pardon my grammar. If you get me right; of all the knowledge we have up to date; is there a field that is recommended to start with to get further understanding of how things work?
Math.
 
phinds said:
Math.
I see, the most universal language :D
 
I'd say logic - the techniques that allow one to conclude statements from assumed ones. It's imperative for mathematics and I imagine it's important for any science that draws from math, such as physics.
 
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Pardon my grammar. If you get me right; of all the knowledge we have up to date is there a field that is recommended to start with to get further understanding of how things work?
I would say mathematics is the most fundamental. Maths is the subject that can stand on its own. Physicists definitely require maths, and also chemistry sometimes. Chemists require both physics and maths (think of spectroscopy). Biologists require a bit less maths than physicists do, but they require physics and chemistry to large extents (think of MRI - it's actually NMR, which is again a combination of physics and chemistry).
 
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The picture in post #7 represents the general relationship among those sciences well.

Not clear just what is or how to define Mathematics, but Physics is a most or the most basic science but one should understand that it is focused on Matter, Energy, and the relations among them.

The sciences can be divided into the physical, the biological, and the behavioral.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Not clear just what is or how to define Mathematics
That's why it's abstract. We (scientists excluding mathematicians) study the "applied" parts, but mathematicians are mostly interested in the sections which cannot be defined in practical terms.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
That's why it's abstract. We (scientists excluding mathematicians) study the "applied" parts, but mathematicians are mostly interested in the sections which cannot be defined in practical terms.
Take another step. Computer Science makes something practical for Mathematics. C.S. is a way to mechanize or automate things about parts of Mathematics. But then, is Computer Science Mathematics, or is it Technology? In this direction, is Computer Science any part of Sociology-Psychology-Biology-Chemistry-Physics?
 
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I don't regard myself an expert in computer science, but from what I understand a computer scientist's (abstract) object of interest is a Turing machine. What can Turing machines do or how does one make a Turing machine do something specific? That all seems very math-like to me: study of classes of abstract objects.

Computer scientists, as the name suggests, likely study something related to computers, as well. Or perhaps, there is a branching within computer science similar to a branching in mathematics: applied math and pure math.
 

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