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The discussion revolves around the various tests for determining the convergence or divergence of series in mathematics. Participants explore specific series examples and debate which convergence tests are applicable to each case, including geometric series and others.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants outline several convergence tests, including the Trivial test, Ratio test, Root test, Leibniz test, Comparison test, and Integral test.
  • One participant suggests that the series $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{5^k}$ can be identified as a geometric series and questions when such a series converges.
  • Another participant reformulates the series $\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n}$ into a geometric series and discusses its convergence.
  • There is a claim that the series $\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}1,0001^k$ does not converge, based on the observation that $1,0001 > 1$.
  • Participants analyze the series $\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}$, discussing the implications of $a > 1$ on its convergence.
  • One participant confirms that if $a > 1$, then $-\frac{1}{a}$ falls within the range required for convergence of the geometric series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of convergence tests to the first three series discussed. However, the fourth series remains a point of discussion, with some uncertainty about the implications of the condition $a > 1$ and its effect on convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions under which certain series converge, particularly in relation to the geometric series and the specific values of $a$ in the fourth series.

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Hey! :o

To check the convergence or divergence of series there are the following tests:

  • Trivial test
    If a series $\sum a_k$ converges, then the sequence $a_k$ is a zero-sequence.
    With this test we can just prove the divergence, but not in general the convergence of a series. \
  • Ratiom test
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|<1$, then the series converges. \\
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|>1$, then the series diverges. \\
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=1$, then this test doesn't tell anything about the convergence/divergence.
  • Root test
    The series $\sum a_k$ converges absolutely, if $\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty}\sqrt[k]{|a_k|}<1$.
    For $\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty}\sqrt[k]{|a_k|}>1$ the divergence of the series is implied.
  • Leibniz test
    If $(a_k)$ is a monotone decreasing zero-sequence, then the alternating seriesn$\sum (-1)^ka_k$ converges.
  • Comparison test
    If $0 \leq |a_k|\leq b_k$ from some $k_0$ and $\sum b_k$converges, then the series $\sum a_k$ converges.
    If $0 \leq |a_k|\leq b_k$ from some $k_0$ and $\sum a_k$ diverges, then the series $\sum b_k$ diverges.
  • Integral test
    let $f : [1, \infty ) \rightarrow [0, \infty )$ be monotone decreasing. then the series $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} f(k)$ converges iff the integral $\int_1^{\infty} f(x)ds$ exists.

right? (Wondering) How do we know which test we have to apply at the following cases?

  1. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{5^k}}$
  2. $\displaystyle{\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n}}$
  3. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}1,0001^k}$
  4. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}}$

(Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

To check the convergence or divergence of series there are the following tests:

  • Trivial test
    If a series $\sum a_k$ converges, then the sequence $a_k$ is a zero-sequence.
    With this test we can just prove the divergence, but not in general the convergence of a series. \
  • Ratiom test
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|<1$, then the series converges. \\
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|>1$, then the series diverges. \\
    If $\lim \sup |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=1$, then this test doesn't tell anything about the convergence/divergence.
  • Root test
    The series $\sum a_k$ converges absolutely, if $\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty}\sqrt[k]{|a_k|}<1$.
    For $\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty}\sqrt[k]{|a_k|}>1$ the divergence of the series is implied.
  • Leibniz test
    If $(a_k)$ is a monotone decreasing zero-sequence, then the alternating seriesn$\sum (-1)^ka_k$ converges.
  • Comparison test
    If $0 \leq |a_k|\leq b_k$ from some $k_0$ and $\sum b_k$converges, then the series $\sum a_k$ converges.
    If $0 \leq |a_k|\leq b_k$ from some $k_0$ and $\sum a_k$ diverges, then the series $\sum b_k$ diverges.
  • Integral test
    let $f : [1, \infty ) \rightarrow [0, \infty )$ be monotone decreasing. then the series $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} f(k)$ converges iff the integral $\int_1^{\infty} f(x)ds$ exists.

right? (Wondering) How do we know which test we have to apply at the following cases?

  1. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{5^k}}$
  2. $\displaystyle{\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n}}$
  3. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}1,0001^k}$
  4. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}}$

(Wondering)

The first one can be written as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{\frac{1}{5^k}} = \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k } \end{align*}$, a geometric series. When does a geometric series converge?

The second one can be written as

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n} } &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{\frac{2^{3n}}{9^n}} \\ &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{\left( 2^3 \right) ^n}{9^n} } \\ &= 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}{ \frac{8^n}{9^n} } \\ &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{8}{9} \right) ^n } \end{align*}$

again, reduced to determining if a geometric series converges.The other two are also geometric series.
 
Prove It said:
The first one can be written as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{\frac{1}{5^k}} = \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k } \end{align*}$, a geometric series. When does a geometric series converge?

The second one can be written as

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n} } &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{\frac{2^{3n}}{9^n}} \\ &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{\left( 2^3 \right) ^n}{9^n} } \\ &= 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}{ \frac{8^n}{9^n} } \\ &= 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{8}{9} \right) ^n } \end{align*}$

again, reduced to determining if a geometric series converges.The other two are also geometric series.

We have that for $-1<q<1$ the geometric series converges and is equal to $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}q^k=\frac{1}{1-q}}$.

So, we have the following:
  1. $\displaystyle {\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{\frac{1}{5^k}} = \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k } =\sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k }-{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^0 }=\sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k }-1\overset{ -1<\frac{1}{5}<1 }{ = } \frac{1}{1-\frac{1}{5}}-1=\frac{1}{\frac{4}{5}}-1=\frac{5}{4}-1=\frac{1}{4}}$
  2. $\displaystyle{ \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n} } = 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{8}{9} \right) ^n }}\overset{ -1<\frac{8}{9}<1 }{ = }2\frac{1}{1-\frac{8}{9}}=2\frac{1}{\frac{1}{9}}=18$
  3. SInce $1,0001>1$ we have the series does not converge, right? (Wondering)
  4. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\left (\frac{-1}{a}\right )^k}$
    Since $a>1$ we have that $0<\frac{1}{a}<1 \Rightarrow -1<-\frac{1}{a}<0$, right? (Wondering)
    Therefore, $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}=\frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{a}}=\frac{a}{a+1}}$
 
mathmari said:
We have that for $-1<q<1$ the geometric series converges and is equal to $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}q^k=\frac{1}{1-q}}$.

So, we have the following:
  1. $\displaystyle {\sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{\frac{1}{5^k}} = \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k } =\sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k }-{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^0 }=\sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{5} \right) ^k }-1\overset{ -1<\frac{1}{5}<1 }{ = } \frac{1}{1-\frac{1}{5}}-1=\frac{1}{\frac{4}{5}}-1=\frac{5}{4}-1=\frac{1}{4}}$
  2. $\displaystyle{ \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \frac{2^{3n+1}}{9^n} } = 2\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{8}{9} \right) ^n }}\overset{ -1<\frac{8}{9}<1 }{ = }2\frac{1}{1-\frac{8}{9}}=2\frac{1}{\frac{1}{9}}=18$
  3. SInce $1,0001>1$ we have the series does not converge, right? (Wondering)
  4. $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\left (\frac{-1}{a}\right )^k}$
    Since $a>1$ we have that $0<\frac{1}{a}<1 \Rightarrow -1<-\frac{1}{a}<0$, right? (Wondering)
    Therefore, $\displaystyle{\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{a^k}=\frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{a}}=\frac{a}{a+1}}$

The first three are correct.

For the fourth, how do you know a > 1?
 
Prove It said:
For the fourth, how do you know a > 1?

Ah, this is given. I forgot to mention it in my first post. Sorry. (Blush)

mathmari said:
Since $a>1$ we have that $0<\frac{1}{a}<1 \Rightarrow -1<-\frac{1}{a}<0$

This implication is correct, isn't it? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Ah, this is given. I forgot to mention it in my first post. Sorry. (Blush)
This implication is correct, isn't it? (Wondering)

I agree that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a > 1 \end{align*}$ implies that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -1 < -\frac{1}{ a} < 0 \end{align*}$, and the geometric series to converge, we also require that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| r \right| = \left| -\frac{1}{a} \right| < 1 \end{align*}$, which we can obviously see it does. So that means the series will converge.
 
Prove It said:
I agree that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a > 1 \end{align*}$ implies that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -1 < -\frac{1}{ a} < 0 \end{align*}$, and the geometric series to converge, we also require that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| r \right| = \left| -\frac{1}{a} \right| < 1 \end{align*}$, which we can obviously see it does. So that means the series will converge.

Ok... Thank you very much! (Mmm)
 

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