Which theory accurately explains the effect of gravity on light?

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The discussion centers around the effect of gravity on light, specifically addressing whether gravity slows down light as it passes near massive objects and how this relates to concepts like gravitational redshift and light bending in curved spacetime. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations from general relativity and alternative theories of gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the speed of light is retarded as it leaves a massive object, suggesting that gravity bends light without slowing it down.
  • One participant introduces the concept of "Gravitational Redshift," explaining that while light's wavelength is stretched by gravity, its speed remains constant.
  • Another participant compares light's behavior in gravity to light passing through glass, noting that it slows down in a medium but resumes its speed afterward.
  • Some argue that light experiences a "Shapiro delay," implying that it appears to slow down near massive objects, which is likened to an increase in the refractive index.
  • Participants discuss two theoretical frameworks: general relativity, where light bends in curved spacetime, and alternative field theories, where light bends due to a gravitational force with a variable speed of gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the relationship between gravity and the speed of light, with no consensus reached on whether gravity slows light or how to interpret the effects observed.

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Some claims depend on specific interpretations of gravitational effects and the nature of spacetime, which may not be universally accepted or resolved within the discussion.

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gravity"s effect on light

If light is bent by gravity as it passes a massive object like the sun isn't the speed of light retarded as it leaves the same massive object? If not how can gravity have the effect of bending light but not slow it down as it leaves?

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There is an effect called "Gravitational Redshift" where the light leaving a massive body is red-shifted by the gravitational field of the emitting body. This does NOT change the velocity of the light, it just "stretches out" the wavelength.

Actually, light from a distant source passing near a massive object follows the "geodesic", a curvature of space-time which deflects the path, as you describe above.

But there is an additional effect: while traveling toward that mass it must feel a slight "blue-shift" and after passing that mass it feels the "red-shift". These are really small effects for an average-sized object, and it seems they would cancel each other. (not sure about this)
 


Light passing through a pane of glass slows down, but, resumes its normal speed once it exits the glass.
 


thetexan said:
If light is bent by gravity as it passes a massive object like the sun isn't the speed of light retarded as it leaves the same massive object? If not how can gravity have the effect of bending light but not slow it down as it leaves?

tex


The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Any curved or circular path taken between two points will increase the distance from one point to the other. That's why in boxing a jab is quicker than a hook. One travels in a straight line while the other in a circular trajectory.

The same with light. When light approaches a massive object it is suddenly forced to travel along a curved or warped space. Therefore it will take longer to reach us. Looking at gravity as a space-warper which forces moving matter to confrom to that space warpage as Einstein did instead of an attractor removes the seemingly paradoxical conunundrum.
 


thetexan said:
If light is bent by gravity as it passes a massive object like the sun isn't the speed of light retarded as it leaves the same massive object?

For a distant observer light slows down near the massive object. It's called Shapiro delay:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro_delay

As a reduction of the speed of light is equivalent to an increase of the refractive index gravitational lensing works similar to classical refraction.
 


thetexan said:
If light is bent by gravity as it passes a massive object like the sun isn't the speed of light retarded as it leaves the same massive object? If not how can gravity have the effect of bending light but not slow it down as it leaves?

tex

There are two possibilities. In a geometric theory as general relativity (GR) the speed of gravity is c, which is a constant, and lights bends because is moving in a curved spacetime (Light bending in curved spacetime)

https://p.twimg.com/Ak1D4kuCIAEiIVN.gif:large

In non-geometric theories of gravity as field theory of gravity (FTG) the speed of gravity is not c but varies with gravitational field and lights bends because is subject to a gravitational force (Light bending in flat spacetime)

https://p.twimg.com/Ak1EkH_CIAAJcuz.gif:large
 
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