Who Crosses the River Faster, Boy A or Boy B?

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The problem involves two boys paddling kayaks across a river with a current. Both boys can paddle at the same speed in still water, but they aim their kayaks differently: Boy A aims upstream at an angle, while Boy B aims directly perpendicular to the bank. The question is which boy crosses the river faster, considering the river's flow velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss vector diagrams to analyze the velocities of both boys and their components relative to the bank. There is confusion about the effective velocities perpendicular to the bank and how they affect crossing time.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that Boy B may arrive first due to his entire velocity being directed perpendicular to the bank, while Boy A's velocity is split between crossing and compensating for the current. There is an ongoing exploration of these interpretations, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that both boys paddle at the same speed in still water and question the implications of their different aiming strategies on crossing time. There is also mention of a potential downriver landing for Boy B, which could affect the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Two boys can each paddle their kayaks at the same speed in still water. They paddle across a river which is flowing at a velocity of vR. Boy A aims upstream at such an angle that he actually travels at right angles to vR. Boy B aims at right angles to the bank, but is carried downstream. Which boy crosses the river in less time?

Homework Equations


Cosine law: a2 = b2 + c2 - 2bccosA
Sine law: a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC
velocity = distance/time

The Attempt at a Solution


I first drew a vector diagram. It consists of two right-angled triangles with a common leg. The hypotenuse of the first is the velocity of boy B and the hypotenuse of the second is the hypothetical path that boy A would travel without current. The shared leg is both the velocity of boy A and the hypothetical path that boy B would travel without current. The other two legs are both vR.

Here I got confused: vB > vA, but isn't boy B's distance also greater than boy A's? I emailed my teacher for help and he gave me this terse answer:

"Draw vector diagrams for boat A and boat B. Determine which boat has the larger component to it's course in the direction perpendicular to the bank. It will make it across first."

But they have the same component to their course perpendicular to the bank, don't they?

I don't understand what I'm missing. Could someone please help me?
 
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"But they have the same component to their course perpendicular to the bank, don't they?"

Not quite, if Boy B aims completely perpendicular to the bank then the entire magnitude of his velocity is, well, perpendicular to the bank, whereas Boy A's velocity is aimed up at an angle (if I understood the question correctly, the wording is weird) so only an "x" component of the velocity will be perpendicular.
 
I would like to resurrect this question since I'm working on it myself. I'm pretty sure boy B would arrive first because, as danielatha4 said, his entire velocity magnitude is perpendicular to the bank and assuming that there is a downriver landing then it would take him the same time getting across the river as if it were still water (ignoring other variables). He would just be further down depending on the river velocity. Boy A would always be spending a percentage of his velocity maintaining his trajectory to the shore, although he would make it directly across and not downriver.

Can anyone else verify this?
 
Jimbo57 said:
I would like to resurrect this question since I'm working on it myself. I'm pretty sure boy B would arrive first because, as danielatha4 said, his entire velocity magnitude is perpendicular to the bank and assuming that there is a downriver landing then it would take him the same time getting across the river as if it were still water (ignoring other variables). He would just be further down depending on the river velocity. Boy A would always be spending a percentage of his velocity maintaining his trajectory to the shore, although he would make it directly across and not downriver.

Can anyone else verify this?

I arrive at the same conclusion.
 

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