News Who is responsible for the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta?

[studentx]

Thank you, studentx, for finally coming out of the closet and showing your true colours. Given this little gem from you, it should allow readers to view your other posts in an appropriate light.

I always knew you had a problem interpreting the truth

 

[studentx]

Wasn't it terrorism? Surely the numbers make that a far larger example of terrorism than all the bus bombings combined?

SBS World Guide says 1%.
CIA says 4.6%: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rw.html#People

God, you like to twist the truth don't you? If Rwanda is terrorism, then its not just the carbombs which add up to Islamic terrorism is it? Like i said, 2/3 of the worlds conflicts involve Islam, has it occurred to you that Rwanda is perhaps part of the other third?

 

[Adam]

Like i said, 2/3 of the worlds conflicts involve Islam,

No, they don't.

 

[studentx]

At least open your closet Adam, your no good blind.

 

[Adam]

Like i said, 2/3 of the worlds conflicts involve Islam,

Support the assertion.

 

[studentx]

What was the death toll in Rwanda? Three-quarters of a million civilians stabbed, hacked, clubbed, shot, raped, and in general screwed over? And you know how many people there are Muslims? One per cent.

Yeah, let's all stand in line for the Five Minute Hate session.

How is this relevant? Start a new thread about it if you have to, but stop derailing the topic.

 

[Hurkyl]

At least open your closet Adam, your no good blind.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would have prompted you for a reference if Adam hadn't.

 

[Gokul43201]

oh really?
http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/terrorism/101/timeline.html

Ha ! That link proves my point. Before the 80s it lists a total of about 20 terrorist attacks against the US (starting from the 40s).

You have roughly that many attacks in Kashmir in one summer.

 

[studentx]

http://members.aol.com/CSPmgm/current.htm
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904550.html
http://www.ndcf.org/Conflict_List/World2002/2002Conflictlist.htm
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/areas/worldconflicts.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm
http://www.cdi.org/dm/2003/dm1-2003.pdf

 

[Hurkyl]

I haven't had time to really dig into your links, but if your basing your statement that "2/3 of the worlds conflicts involve Islam" on a worldview like that in http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm , then it's almost tautological. In particular, it doesn't suggest that Islam is a particularly violent religion.

Drastically oversimplifying to demonstrate the idea, if there are three bodies that participate in wars, then there are three possible ways they can conflict: A vs B, A vs C, and B vs C. If you further assume that all conflicts are really between these three bodies, then you expect each of the bodies to be a participant in 2/3 of all conflicts. More, if you mix in A vs B vs C. (less if you permot A vs A type wars)

 

[Adam]

Ah, studentx, did you actually read those links? They don't support your assertion. In fact they support an opposing view.

 

[Smurf]

Aye, The impression I got was that christians are real bastards.

 

[Gokul43201]

Smurf, I'm sure we shouldn't go about making such blatantly provocative statements in a discussion forum.

If the intent of that post is truly non-inflammatory, would you care to back up the need for such a gross generalization ? Else, tone down the language a few notches.

 

[Adam]

Just check out the religions involved in the wars listed on the sites studentx provided. A lot of alleged christians running around killing people. I suspect they have some sort of global brotherhood mindset, and one of them should apologise and announce a new, peaceful direction for the whole.

PS: There is a little sarcasm involved here.

 

[member 5645]

Ha ! That link proves my point. Before the 80s it lists a total of about 20 terrorist attacks against the US (starting from the 40s).

You have roughly that many attacks in Kashmir in one summer.

Well I guess you did make your statement in a very subject way. Fairly recent could be 80's forward I guess

 

[studentx]

Just check out the religions involved in the wars listed on the sites studentx provided. A lot of alleged christians running around killing people. I suspect they have some sort of global brotherhood mindset, and one of them should apologise and announce a new, peaceful direction for the whole.

Whens the last time a christian, hindu or buddist blew himself up, carbombed buildings and schoolbuses, beheaded foreigners, flew planes into buildings, blew up passenger filled jets, slaughtered entire schools, while praising god, IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES?

How do you explain the superstring of terror attacks carried out by almost exclusively muslims, Adam?

 

[Adam]

A couple of years ago an American christian anti-abortion nutter flew to Australia and shot people in a medical clinic.

 

[studentx]

evading my questions again.

 

[russ_watters]

A couple of years ago an American christian anti-abortion nutter flew to Australia and shot people in a medical clinic.

So, you're saying you agree that its pretty rare compared to Islamic terrorism?

 

[GENIERE]

Russ_Waters – Methinks your going to be attacked by 50 irrelevant links.

 

[JohnDubYa]

Geniere really goes out on a limb. Nostradamus lives!

 

[Gokul43201]

I looked through all those links and still can't find where it says that Islamic terrorists are a minority among the terror community.

 

[Adam]

I coulen't be bothered searching for numbers now. However, I recall a while ago I searched for numbers on christian whackos killing their kids in "exorcisms" in the USA, and it happens on average about once per fortnight.

Anyone got any numbers handy regarding christian pro-life nutters murdering doctors?

 

[studentx]

I coulen't be bothered searching for numbers now. However, I recall a while ago I searched for numbers on christian whackos killing their kids in "exorcisms" in the USA, and it happens on average about once per fortnight.

Anyone got any numbers handy regarding christian pro-life nutters murdering doctors?

Adam, its time to embrace the truth, this is getting us nowhere. We all know it has been mostly, almost exclusively extremist muslims comitting international terror attacks with the purpose of collapsing the non muslim world and the increase in attacks the last few years are NOT not a problem. You don't like the truth, neither do i, but lying to muslims and telling them evrything is fine is not how you should treat your equals.

 

[Adam]

Now, I'll be careful to avoid an ad hominem here. I won't say anything about a person. However, some of the assertions and ridiculous statements around here make me think that we really do need a lifeguard or two around the gene pool. The sheer stupidity involved in some of the posts I read here is so monomentally ludicrous that I'm left questioning how the authors can possibly even type on a computer. Actually, I'm surprised they can feed themselves and survive long enough to find a computer.

Now, to the links I did not supply earlier, as I was waiting for my dinner to finish cooking...

http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/e/ex/exorcism.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/20/national/main594278.shtml
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/death-exorcism.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3179789.stm
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/cults/victims_of_religion.htm
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=exorcism+child+killed&btnG=Search&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off

I'll go through here later for more.

 

[Hurkyl]

We all know

I don't; I haven't seen figures that support this.

 

[Gokul43201]

From the US State Dept. : http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2004/05/sec-040521-usia01.htm

Terrorist Exclusion List Designees (alphabetical listing)

-- Afghan Support Committee (a.k.a. Ahya ul Turas)

-- Al Taqwa Trade, Property and Industry Company Ltd. (f.k.a. Himmat Establishment)

-- Al-Hamati Sweets Bakeries

-- Al-Ittihad al-Islami (AIAI)

-- Al-Ma unah

-- Al-Nur Honey Center

-- Al-Rashid Trust

-- Al-Shifa Honey Press for Industry and Commerce

-- Al-Wafa al-Igatha al-Islamia

-- Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB)

-- Anarchist Faction for Overthrow

-- Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR)

-- Asbat al-Ansar

-- Babbar Khalsa International

-- Bank Al Taqwa Ltd.

-- Black Star

-- Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)

-- Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) (a.k.a. Continuity Army Council)

-- Darkazanli Company

-- Dhamat Houmet Daawa Salafia

-- Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement

-- First of October Antifascist Resistance Group (GRAPO)

-- Harakat ul Jihad i Islami (HUJI)

-- International Sikh Youth Federation

-- Islamic Army of Aden

-- Islamic Renewal and Reform Organization

-- Jamiat al-Ta awun al-Islamiyya

-- Jamiat ul-Mujahideen (JUM)

-- Japanese Red Army (JRA)

-- Jaysh-e-Mohammed

-- Jayshullah

-- Jerusalem Warriors

-- Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LET) (a.k.a. Army of the Righteous)

-- Libyan Islamic Fighting Group

-- Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)

-- Makhtab al-Khidmat

-- Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group

-- Nada Management Organization (f.k.a. Al Taqwa Management Organization SA)

-- New People's Army (NPA)

-- Orange Volunteers (OV)

-- People Against Gangsterism and Drugs (PAGAD)

-- Red Brigades-Combatant Communist Party (BR-PCC)

-- Red Hand Defenders (RHD)

-- Revival of Islamic Heritage Society (Pakistan and Afghanistan offices -- Kuwait office not designated)

-- Revolutionary Proletarian Nucleus

-- Revolutionary United Front (RUF)

-- Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)

-- The Allied Democratic Forces (ADF)

-- The Islamic International Brigade

-- The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

-- The Pentagon Gang

-- The Riyadus-Salikhin Reconnaissance and Sabotage Battalion of Chechen Martyrs

-- The Special Purpose Islamic Regiment

-- Tunisian Combat Group (a.k.a. Jama a Combattante Tunisien)

-- Turkish Hizballah

-- Ulster Defense Association (a.k.a. Ulster Freedom Fighters)

-- Ummah Tameer E-Nau (UTN)

-- Youssef M. Nada & Co. Gesellschaft M.B.H.

Summary : A little more than 60% are Islamic groups. Whenever the name was not suggestive of religious orientation, I've assumed non-Islamic.

 

[studentx]

Have you seen the news lately? Beslan , two passenger jets, subway suicidebomber, Jakarta carbomb. And that's just the past few weeks, and just russia.

 

[Hurkyl]

Have you seen the news lately? Beslan , two passenger jets, subway suicidebomber, Jakarta carbomb. And that's just the past few weeks, and just russia.

Have you heard about selective reporting, selective memory, and forgetfulness?

If your assertion was so obvious, it should be easy to drum up figures.

 

[Adam]

1) Define the period of time over which you are asserting that Islam is behind the greater mount of wars and terrorism and such.

2) Add up the numbers.

3) Show us.

Hint: For your own benefit, start after about 1950.