Who was the first to find an initial singularity in GR models of the universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the historical identification of singularities in cosmological models derived from Einstein's General Relativity. Participants explore who first recognized the concept of an initial singularity, particularly in relation to the density of the universe approaching infinity, and the contributions of early cosmologists like Friedmann and Lemaitre.

Discussion Character

  • Historical
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the first mention of a singularity in cosmology since Einstein's work, specifically questioning if early papers explicitly discussed infinite density.
  • Another participant clarifies their interest in curvature singularities within a cosmological context, distinguishing between singularity theorems and the discovery of curvature singularities in solutions to Einstein's equations.
  • A participant raises concerns about the indeterminate nature of assigning precedence in scholarly contributions, referencing Georges Lemaitre's writings and Karl Schwarzschild's letters as potentially significant but lacking detailed records.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the desire to identify who first analyzed Einstein's equations and concluded that tracing an expanding universe back in time leads to infinite density.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether Friedmann's initial paper from 1922 explicitly identified an initial singularity with infinite density, suggesting that by the 1930s, several cosmologists were aware of such singularities but may not have focused on that aspect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on who first identified the initial singularity in cosmological models, and multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the contributions of early cosmologists.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in historical records and the challenges of interpreting early scientific correspondence and lectures, which may not provide clear answers to the questions posed.

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I have a question about the history of cosmology, hope its okay to ask here. Who was the first person since Einstein's Gr to point out a singularity in cosmology? I know Freidman talked of an expanding universe and Lematire a primeval atom. But were there any explicit mentions of the density of the universe going to infinity in these early papers? If not who was the first?
 
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windy miller said:
Who was the first person since Einstein's Gr to point out a singularity in cosmology?

Your thread title says "singularity theorems". Are you interested in the theorems, or just in who first discovered a curvature singularity in a solution to the Einstein Field Equation?
 
I am beginning to think these precedent questions are indeterminate. As a Jesuit scholar Georges Lemaitre wrote and discussed such questions in contemporary letters and lectures. How does one assign precedence in ongoing correspondence? Or presume to know the contents of unrecorded lectures and conversations?

Also consider astronomer Karl Schwarzschild's publications and letters before his untimely death from illness while serving in WWI. The link lacks detail but his letters may be available in German.
 
PeterDonis said:
Your thread title says "singularity theorems". Are you interested in the theorems, or just in who first discovered a curvature singularity in a solution to the Einstein Field Equation?
Im interested in curvature singularities especially in a cosmological setting,
 
windy miller said:
Im interested in curvature singularities especially in a cosmological setting

This doesn't answer my question. Read what I asked again.
 
Maybe I can be a little clearer i would like to know who was the first to analyse Einsteins equations and conclude that if we trace the history of the an expanding universe back int time we get to a point of infinite density . I know Friedman considered an expanding universe but i don't know if he traced it back to an infinite density in the finite past. I know Lemaitre talked of a primordial atom and a day without a yesterday but don't know if he derived that from an infinite density . Is my question clearer now?
 
windy miller said:
i would like to know who was the first to analyse Einsteins equations and conclude that if we trace the history of the an expanding universe back int time we get to a point of infinite density .

Ok. I have edited the thread title to better reflect this question.

I don't know if Friedmann's initial paper (in 1922 IIRC) pointed out that there was an initial singularity with infinite density in the model. I believe that by the 1930's a number of cosmologists, including Friedmann, Robertson, Walker, and Milne, were aware that the class of models they were considering had initial singularities with infinite density, but I don't know how much attention they paid to that property. My impression is that they were more concerned about how to interpret the equations physically at times in the model corresponding to "now" (or near that); it was not at all clear at that time to many physicists how to do that.
 
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Thanks for your reply Peter and the re editing of the question. If anyone else can offer more insights , even a first reference that would be awesome but answer so far is much appreciated.
 

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