Why 8 Decimal Places? The Surprising Reason Behind Finite Numbers in Roots

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of obtaining finite decimal representations, specifically 8 decimal places, when performing operations with square roots on calculators. Participants explore the implications of numerical precision and the limitations of calculators in representing irrational numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that operations involving square roots yield results that are consistently 8 decimal places long, despite the roots being infinite.
  • Another participant suggests that the results depend on the internal format used by calculators.
  • It is proposed that calculators may store results at higher precision but display only an 8-digit mantissa.
  • A further explanation involves the trade-off between range and precision in floating-point representation, highlighting how limited bits affect the accuracy of displayed results.
  • One participant emphasizes that calculators are not designed for theoretical calculations but for practical applications, which do not require extreme precision.

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Participants generally agree that the finite representations are a result of internal approximations and limitations of calculators, but there is no consensus on the exact reasons or implications of these limitations.

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The discussion touches on the concepts of numerical precision, floating-point representation, and practical applications of calculators, but does not resolve the nuances of these topics.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring numerical methods, calculator functionality, or the implications of precision in mathematical computations.

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Ok so I'm playing around with my claculator the other day and i realize that sometimes when you play around with roots(for example root 2 +root 3) you get finite numbers, and these numbers are always 8 dp long. Is there some reason for this? here are a few examples:

root 2 + root 3 = 3.14626437
root 6 x root 8 = 6.92820323
root 3 + root 6 = 4.18154055
root 2 + root 5 = 3.65028154

just to name a few. considering that individually all these roots are infinite, how do they always condense to 8 dp finite numbers?
 
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ok so they're not actually finite, just a result of internal approximations?
 
trini said:
Ok so I'm playing around with my claculator the other day and i realize that sometimes when you play around with roots(for example root 2 +root 3) you get finite numbers, and these numbers are always 8 dp long. Is there some reason for this? here are a few examples:

root 2 + root 3 = 3.14626437
root 6 x root 8 = 6.92820323
root 3 + root 6 = 4.18154055
root 2 + root 5 = 3.65028154

just to name a few. considering that individually all these roots are infinite, how do they always condense to 8 dp finite numbers?


There could be a couple of reasons for that.

Reason 1: The calculator stores results at higher precision but only displays an 8 digit mantissa.

Reason 2: That is the precision that the calculator uses.

To understand precision, you have to understand that integers have a certain range. For instance, an unsigned 8 bit integer has a range of 0 to 2^8. An eight bit signed float has a greater range, but it must sacrifice precision in the mantissa to store values in the exponent.

For instance, if you have a 16 bit number, the range of 0- 10^99 in the floating point digit takes a maximum of seven bits, one bit needs to be used for the sign bit, and the other eight bits can be used to store for the precision of the value, which would limit you to 2^8=256, or effectively, two digit precision. So then your answer to the square root of two might be 1.4.
 
trini said:
ok so they're not actually finite, just a result of internal approximations?

Bullseye.
 
It would take the calculator an infinite amount of time to calculate an infinite amount of digits - and what practical purpose would that serve?

Calculators aren't designed for deep theoretical stuff. They are for real world operations - carpenters measuring wood to cut, architects, navigators calculating an airplane's course, and so on. Those tasks are unlikely to have measurements or observations that are accurate to eight digits, so such accuracy isn't necessary.

And it is assumed that any good craftsman understands the limits of his tools.
 

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